Mini Normal 1976 - The Firsts - Night 2[End Jan 8]

[acryon]

Acryon - I am sort of on board with your argument that lynching Mulch means we can ‘save’ DHs shot for something else. But given his claim do you think the mafia will kill him tonight which actually just flips your scenario on its head - ie -

Educated lynch on mulch
Uneducated pot shot by DH before he gets scum killed

That probably makes me sound scummy because he is targeting me but if you think there is a scenario where DH sees the night through to gain a bit more knowledge then I’d go with a mulch lynch

I think mafia 100% leaves him alive tonight because his claimed ability wouldn't even do anything anyway. They can safely let him live and kill him tomorrow if need be.

I think that DH sees the night through. He's already said that if we lynch town, smart thing to do is not shoot.

[Mulch]

Gut

THIS was your reason to vote monkey? Your pushing me so hard because of gut?

[acryon]

Gut

THIS was your reason to vote monkey? Your pushing me so hard because of gut?

These were my first two posts. Does it really surprise you that my vote in 310 was a gut-read? Can you look at those two posts and read it as anything

other

than a gut-read?

Holy crap 10 pages! Sorry guys this holiday weekend things are going to be pretty busy. I'll end up being pretty active during the week but these first few IRL days are going to be tough. I'll end up catching up though.

VOTE: Mulch

Nothing against mulch, everything against monkey.

Still a couple days out from real updates, but I've read through and this is where I'm at.

VOTE: Mulch

And no, I am not pushing you because of gut. I am pushing you because I don't believe your claim. The overarching theme of your play and my gut are

part of the reason

I don't believe your claim, but the crux of my push on you is the claim.

[Mulch]

So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps

[acryon]

So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps

Baby steps, although you could've done this yourself if you cared to.

The argument of letting him live in case we have a doc is pretty reasonable, but I don't think it's reasonable enough to overcome Mulch's body of work.

Mulch's claim was too perfect. Even-night, meaning they get to live another day for free, and even then they can just claim green-checks so they never die and can claim doc was following the cop. Claimed a much more powerful town power role meaning that, unlike in DH's case, losing it is a big deal, and someone CC'ing means we lose a more powerful role.

I don't care about your meta. I do think the way you and monkey have pushed has been scummy. I think the way you've defended yourself has been scummy.

The reason I don't believe your claim is because your play hasn't felt like town (read: gut feeling) and the circumstances and nature of your claim make it highly suspect.

From my read-through (which I did a large chunk at a time since I was V/LA), monkey's aggressiveness felt pretty jarring to me. That seemed like a good place to put my vote to start since I dislike not having a vote out.

After the Mulch claim, my initial vote became a more "real" vote that just so happened to be on the same person. Gut based on my read-through was my reason to "soft-vote" monkey. The claim was my reason to "hard-vote" Mulch.

[profii]

So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps

Do you regret your rage claim given the even night bit looks dodge as ____

[Mulch]

So

Why don’t you believe my claim

Baby fucking steps

Do you regret your rage claim given the even night bit looks dodge as ____

Yes

[Mulch]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

[Mulch]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

[Hawk]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.

Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF

Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.

Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.

all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum

[acryon]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

I mean your claim is fundamentally bad because of what you're seeing play out right now. That was anti-town action, irregardless of your real faction.

Why does your claim look scum to me and not town to me? Because your body of work doesn't feel like town play. Monkey turned on Derpy and got aggressive once Derpy voted for him. You have played in a similar way for much of your time that felt defensive to me (in a way that's not town).

The difference between a scum play and a town play is generally the perceived intent behind it. I believe, based on your body of work and the circumstances of your claim, that the intent was a scummy one.

[acryon]

Also the other things Hawk said that I didn't.

[Hawk]

Acryon who are you voting again? What's your thoughts on profil?

[acryon]

Acryon who are you voting again? What's your thoughts on profil?

I am voting Mulch.

I like profil. I found myself very much understanding their thought process as I read through the game. Not a lot I majorly disagreed with from them, and nothing in my gut particularly pinged when reading.

[Hawk]

Sorry I have a headache I'm not sure why I even wrote that first question... I need to wake up.

Derpy I'm ISOing Profil and I think Mulches flip will tell a lot about Profil but I see where you're coming from..

I want more from RB, Sky Paladin, Jodax and generally everyone else who's being quiet. I feel like we keep cycling in and out players who are active and it's not giving a good painted picture.

Pedit: Yeah I knew that idk why I asked I Think I thought you were psychosavant for a second chiming in. Your black and white profile pics got me confused. I blame my headache.

Okay. Let me look through the ISO again there were a few comments that bugged me I wanted your opinion since I thought you said TiAM was your potential alternative to mulch but you were pretty set on mulch.

[Hawk]

I’ve had an idea. If we are going to lose a PR when DH kills Mulch, I’ll make a different policy vote

VOTE: no lynch

Ner!

Actually I realized I was confused for a second I misread a previous Profil post but I do want to call back to this a bit. Between this and Profils constant what if scenarios always ending with town losing multiple members do you think that's town indicative?

Anyone can answer but I suppose this is more directed at Acryon right now.

Derpy do you think Profil hasn't been trying to dig up scum? What are your thoughts on Bujaber, and RB? You said you could do Psycho are you still feeling 2IAM is town?

[Mulch]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.

Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF

Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.

Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.

all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum

I mean

If I was scum I would claim odd night cop and fake a peek

Would also not claim in anger if I was scum

Your right it’s not logical but I wasn’t being logical when I claimed so

[acryon]

I’ve had an idea. If we are going to lose a PR when DH kills Mulch, I’ll make a different policy vote

VOTE: no lynch

Ner!

Actually I realized I was confused for a second I misread a previous Profil post but I do want to call back to this a bit. Between this and Profils constant what if scenarios always ending with town losing multiple members do you think that's town indicative?

Anyone can answer but I suppose this is more directed at Acryon right now.

Derpy do you think Profil hasn't been trying to dig up scum? What are your thoughts on Bujaber, and RB? You said you could do Psycho are you still feeling 2IAM is town?

Yeah I didn't like that post at all. NL is pretty terrible, and to be honest that was one of a few weird posts by profil, but then seemed to get back on track with posts after. Also, first game for them on this site so I'm willing to give them a bit of a pass on the NL suggestion since the overall body of work is something resembling a townie.

[profii]

NL was more of a rage option at DH going to shoot a cop claim but now people are actually talking about it I’m less ragey

[Hawk]

Ok, my claim is a good claim to make as scum.

But I’m not scum.

So why couldn’t I be town whose making the claim?

You keep making aeguements that my claim is perfect IF I’m scum

But that has the premise that I’m scum

So if you don’t assume I’m scum, why is my claim bad

Because as a PR you shouldn't claim early unless put up for lynch.

Because as a PR you could soft claim PR if being threatened to be Vig'd rather than I AM THIS EXPLICIT ROLE KNOW ALL OF THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEREOF

Because as a PR it might help to crumb something and point it out with your claim rather than blankly claim it early d1.

Your claim was weak and looks very much like fuck I'm gonna get shot and that's not good for scum team.

all of that ontop of it being a very good claim if you are scum

I mean

If I was scum I would claim odd night cop and fake a peek

Would also not claim in anger if I was scum

Your right it’s not logical but I wasn’t being logical when I claimed so

WIFOM about what you would claim as scum.

Okay let's play a scenario out real quick.

Assume these two things happen.
1. We don't lynch you.
2. We convince DH to not shoot you.

What benefit does town gain from keeping you around for one more night because most likely scum will and can kill you sometime between now and n2 before you get investigation results off?

[Hawk]

NL was more of a rage option at DH going to shoot a cop claim but now people are actually talking about it I’m less ragey

Okay so you're voting 2iAM. You want to avoid DH and Mulch if both are not counter claimed and DH isn't shooting Mulch.

Present to me your case on why 2iAM over anyone else. Also specifically over psycho (since I feel like there's a better chance for 1 scum between these two than not)

[Mulch]

If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol

[Hawk]

If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol

It's Wifom because I dont know your alignment. If you had claimed odd night and we had called it suspicious you easily could have said you would have claimed even night and knowing that blahblahblah. Wifom.

If scum kill you n2 then they gain cover/lynchbait for 1 day plus the rest of today as you'll be heavily scrutinized tomorrow if you're alive.

Also know the cool thing about a mislynch for scum? if your mislynch lives but gets close to getting lynched but doesn't people who pushes the mislynched get looked at.

Scums power and weakness lies in the information they have which is who is actually scum.

[Mulch]

I don’t understand what you just said

[TwoInAMillion]

If scum kill me, then they lose a mislynch the way things are going
If they don’t, I get a cop check

Simple

And it’s not wifom,
I would claim odd night as scum lol

You mean your fake check where you make up a guilty on someone, they end up being mislyched, and we are in a further hole?