Mini Normal 1980: TwoInAMillion - The First Game(Town Win!)

[BigYoshiFan]

This wagon isn't going anywhere. Why keep him at L-1?

Are you saying you think there's no chance that Frogger gets lynched today? If so, it's pretty early to be saying that, don't you think? If not, what are you saying?

An early L-1 is a great way to start the game off. It gets people talking, gets reactions going. Given that the L-1 was made explicitly clear, anyone who quickhammers would scumclaim. What's the downside?

I'm saying I doubt this wagon will provide us with any information than it has already, if any. Frogger isn't gonna react since this wagon wasn't formed with any intent to lynch, also being the one to encourage its formation. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean anything to me, nor do I think it would for anyone else. Keeping him at L-1 has more potential for harm than I see good.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Sephiroth

[CultOfAthena]

I don't think RVS wagons are inherently interesting or meaningful by themselves. They become interesting when people ascribe meaning to them, like when someone casts a L-1 vote on page 2 without announcing it, or when someone starts attributing motivation to people's interactions with the wagon.

Really? I find that RVS is often the

best

place to try to catch scum out – they haven't had a chance to fully put their defenses up yet, and with little town content to go off of they'll usually fall back on certain easy to find principles: don't stand out, try to distance yourself from buddies, look for any easy targets to jump on, et cetera.

What's "interesting" about attributing motivation to people's interactions with the wagon?

[BigYoshiFan]

YoshiFan has an awkward initial post and also avoids voting on the Frogger wagon until later, not even joining any wagon initially. Doesn't seem to want to draw attention to himself – scumlean.

What about my initial post was awkward? Just saying "Hi." is so awkward you need to point it out and relate it to a scumread?

[Stitch]

VOTE: Skitter

Imo he's just pointing out what the jester wannabe is doing as weird to look good. He's putting 0 pressure on the slot.

[skitter30]

I don't think hes trolling but I also don't think there's an acceptable reason to put someone at -1 when you think they're town. Maybe he is a jester, who the fuck knows.

unvote, vote: flavorleaf

I don't think jesters are normal. He likes to do reaction tests as both alignments. I actually don't think it's AI for him.

VOTE: Fro99er

What was the purpose of this vote?

VOTE: Sephiroth

Why the unvote first?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: skitter

[Stitch]

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: skitter

You already did that silly.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Sephiroth

Why the unvote first?

Just wanted to get off the wagon. Then I found something, saw someone else vote for that player, and just followed suit.

[Stitch]

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Fro99er

What was the purpose of this vote?

[CultOfAthena]

I'm saying I doubt this wagon will provide us with any information than it has already, if any. Frogger isn't gonna react since this wagon wasn't formed with any intent to lynch, also being the one to encourage its formation. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean anything to me, nor do I think it would for anyone else. Keeping him at L-1 has more potential for harm than I see good.

I can see where you're coming from on the first point, even if I disagree. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean

anything

to you? Really? You can't find any meaning in that action?

What about my initial post was awkward? Just saying "Hi." is so awkward you need to point it out and relate it to a scumread?

It's hard to explain in words. Most people make a joke or talk about some past game or just naked vote as their first post. Just saying "Hi" feels like you were trying to think of something to insert yourself into the thread with smoothly, which goes along with not voting anyone who was already being voted. Like I said – page one reads. They're just something to get the game moving.

[Sephiroth]

Seems extra, but may Sephiroth hasn't played in a while.

I just played my first game in like 5 years, but I still think a -1 on someone you view as town is scummy. For a little context, I just played a game with TIAM in which he quickhammered and several town players legit tried to play it off as his meta and that he was someone TOWN from that.

I do acknowledge that the game is played a lot looser than when I was last playing frequently, but come on now.

[CultOfAthena]

VOTE: Fro99er

What was the purpose of this vote?

It was a fake hammer – a reaction test. I didn't have anything specific I was looking for in responses, just looking for responses in general. Frogger ruined it, however.

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Why?

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

Leaning towards scum. Why do you ask?

[Fro99er]

Frogger ruined it, however.

Seph ruined it

[Sephiroth]

And I would do it again.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm saying I doubt this wagon will provide us with any information than it has already, if any. Frogger isn't gonna react since this wagon wasn't formed with any intent to lynch, also being the one to encourage its formation. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean anything to me, nor do I think it would for anyone else. Keeping him at L-1 has more potential for harm than I see good.

I can see where you're coming from on the first point, even if I disagree. FL voting him to L-1 really doesn't mean

anything

to you? Really? You can't find any meaning in that action?

Nope.

[quote="In post 62, CultOfAt

What about my initial post was awkward? Just saying "Hi." is so awkward you need to point it out and relate it to a scumread?

It's hard to explain in words. Most people make a joke or talk about some past game or just naked vote as their first post. Just saying "Hi" feels like you were trying to think of something to insert yourself into the thread with smoothly, which goes along with not voting anyone who was already being voted. Like I said – page one reads. They're just something to get the game moving.[/quote]
I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

[Stitch]

I townread Yoshi for how he went about the unvote.

Why?

Athena, what is your Yoshi read?

Leaning towards scum. Why do you ask?

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Because I couldn't tell if you suspicious of the logic or the player.

[Srceenplay]

Frogger ruined it, however.

Seph ruined it

Yes they did. They changed the momentum. Trying for town cred but it’s fake.

[skitter30]

I don't think RVS wagons are inherently interesting or meaningful by themselves. They become interesting when people ascribe meaning to them, like when someone casts a L-1 vote on page 2 without announcing it, or when someone starts attributing motivation to people's interactions with the wagon.

Really? I find that RVS is often the

best

place to try to catch scum out – they haven't had a chance to fully put their defenses up yet, and with little town content to go off of they'll usually fall back on certain easy to find principles: don't stand out, try to distance yourself from buddies, look for any easy targets to jump on, et cetera.

What's "interesting" about attributing motivation to people's interactions with the wagon?

I'm having trouble articulating this, but I'll try.

Like these sorts of wagons are usually used as a vehicle to get out of RVS. Like they're used to initiate conversation, exactly like you're doing here. We're having this convo now because you found the fact that I stayed off the wagon to be worth probing. To me, the Fro99er wagon now has meaning and has become interesting, because people care enough about it to talk about it.

While it's probably significant that the wagon built on Fro99er in particular, until these convos start happening, I won't be able to understand or see that significance, until people start talking about it and interactions build and conversations happen. I can't see the things you like about RVS wagons until people care enough to start talking about them.

I dunno, I hope that made sense.

p-edit: I can't keep up with you people lol.

[CultOfAthena]

I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

Why are you lying?

Blank unvote and then posting content. Imo it shows more worry about the quickhammer than anything else they could have done.

Are you disregarding the possibility that Yoshi and Frogger are scumbuddies?

[Srceenplay]

I still think a -1 on someone you view as town is scummy.

So in your POV scum openly announce their contradictions and draw attention to themselves?

[skitter30]

It was a fake hammer – a reaction test. I didn't have anything specific I was looking for in responses, just looking for responses in general. Frogger ruined it, however.

Got it; was wondering what the point of a *second* reaction test along the same vein was

[BigYoshiFan]

I said "Hi" to purposefully be humorously awkward. It's ruined now.

Why are you lying?

So I said "Hi" and just that to blend myself in. Okay.