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[Nero Cain]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

[Firebringer]

That’s me

[Alisae]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

I think I'm the only one that thinks that everyone sucks and mafia on ms is just too easy.

[Not_Mafia]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

I think I'm the only one that thinks that everyone sucks and mafia on ms is just too easy.

Crows was lynched they were

Spoiler:

Couldn't resist, sorry Alisae

[Alisae]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

I think I'm the only one that thinks that everyone sucks and mafia on ms is just too easy.

Crows was lynched they were

Spoiler:

Couldn't resist, sorry Alisae

The context attached to that is very important

but yeah dw i luv u 2 <3

[Alisae]

tbh I think what I love about that flip the most looking back is we have the Kaito sprite just going

"DAMMIT I COULDN'T SOLOHERO WHEN BOTH OF MY BUDDIES GOT GUILTIED"

[Nero Cain]

People don’t use meta

People are OPPOSED to meta

I don't really agree with this. I feel like when I started playing meta was a huge thing and there are still alot of players that do do meta reads but its gotten to the point where its less and less reliable b/c of 125

But then ABR decided "Fuck you" and the town then proceeded to implode on itself.

ya'll were going to lynch town anyways. :/

everyone working together to solve a game

vs.

everyone finding someone to sheep, and that someone solves the game

Sure but its not like the majority is going to be right a good chunk of the time. At what point do you say "lets work together and lynch X" and "I think you are wrong about X thus I'm not going to help you."

[Nero Cain]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

I think I'm the only one that thinks that everyone sucks and mafia on ms is just too easy.

Is this a thinly vieled jab @ me?

[Alisae]

ya'll were going to lynch town anyways. :/

Okay yeah, that Yuri wagon was a 10-11p all town wagon on town.
but what's better
being cohesive and lynching town?
Or everyone telling each other to go fuck themselves and lynching town?

If I HAD to take only those two options, I would take the first.

pedit: I mean
this is in that I believe this is a whole thread where that is the opinion and I felt like jabbing you in some way
but it isn't in that that's how I view ms atm

[Nero Cain]

Okay yeah, that Yuri wagon was a 10-11p all town wagon on town.
but what's better
being cohesive and lynching town?
Or everyone telling each other to go fuck themselves and lynching town?

neither. scum hunt better.

and I felt like jabbing you in some way

rude!

[Alisaes French Maid]

The Yuri wagon compromise was me

[mastina]

ya'll were going to lynch town anyways. :/

Okay yeah, that Yuri wagon was a 10-11p all town wagon on town.
but what's better
being cohesive and lynching town?
Or everyone telling each other to go fuck themselves and lynching town?
If I HAD to take only those two options, I would take the first.

This is true. Town cohesion, even when the cohesion is

wrong

, is something scum cannot afford to have. Because while the town cohesion may be wrong, it is still town cohesion...and if that cohesion holds, it won't take long before it ends up on scum with scum being powerless at that point.

Scum's best defense against town cohesion is to break it up, and scum are reasonably competent at doing exactly that--dividing towns and preventing them from forming a cohesive group. "Divide and conquer" is a winning scum strategy ridiculously easy to implement. All it requires is precisely the right combination to keep the town from uniting into a common element.

[schadd_]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

what do u suppose is the appeal of being hard to read

one is town most of the time

[Psyche]

no one seems to really know what to look for when scumhunting, and very few seem to spend much time figuring that out

[Alisae]

no one seems to really know what to look for when scumhunting, and very few seem to spend much time figuring that out

You don't even play games?

[Lycanfire]

Perhaps I was too low key when I was suggesting people use tone reads as a method to harm their towngame in favor of their scumgame.

[Psyche]

no one seems to really know what to look for when scumhunting, and very few seem to spend much time figuring that out

You don't even play games?

there's a reason

[Not_Mafia]

/in any

[Ellibereth]

Mafia is a single player game with a buncha poorly coded NPC's

[Mulch]

no one seems to really know what to look for when scumhunting, and very few seem to spend much time figuring that out

Correct

[Psyche]

/in any

wow i can't remember doing that

[Flubbernugget]

I think I'm the only one that thinks there are alot of players that play scummy regardless of alignment to make themselves harder to read.

I think this post is a little too cynical. Bad town play leads to less applicable scum tells, making towns play worse. It's a downward spiral/cascade.

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I don't think arguments about controversial aspects of mafia (meta, tone, etc) should be welcome in this game.

I would like to reiterate the points I've read so far that I believe to be the most important that have come out of this thread.

-> Don't gambit.

-> Listen to your teammates. Understand their points. Prove to them you understand their points. This has been one of my weakest points as of late. It was particularly bad in my most recent finished game.

-> Self reflect on each game. I think an effective way of doing this would be to post what you could have done better at end game.

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I would like to add a few points I don't think have been mentioned.

-> Follow games after your death, especially if you are losing. Did you influence any players past your flip? For better or worse? Go for spoilers if they are allowed, or reread the game after it has been finished all players alignments in mind. It's good to see how scum acts with the full knowledge of their alignment. I liken it to watching a killcam in a shooter to see how an adversary capitalized on your mistakes.

-> Don't be a hero. You don't need to lead every single lynch to win a game, and you don't need to crack the game with some crazy gambit to win. This is technically just restated points 1 and 2 combined, but I tend to remember the phrase better due to how blunt it is.

-> Don't overstretch yourself. Don't open yourself up to as many games as you can keep up posting in. Allow yourself time to read posts carefully, reread, and fully think through setup spec.

[LicketyQuickety]

TL;DR

Contrary idea of the day: Playing as Town is about producing content. That's the bottom line. The more Town that does that, the better Town's chances of winning.

I should prolly see myself out at this point...

[addendum] Not all content is created equally and some "content" barely passes as saying hi. Also, Too much content can be bad for a game. I've seen this happen, tho IDK if this was the result of Town actually losing.

[LicketyQuickety]

There's no mafia "sandbox" or "practice" mode

I disagree the Normal and Open games are basically a practice mode.

Those are my fav because I kinda sorta know what to expect (at least with open games). These theme games nowadays kinda suck IMO.

the TL;DR is that I don't trust reviewers unless they know what they are doing. I've played more than one bastard game that was just shit and totally and utterly unpredictable in any sense of the the word. I've ran into Normal games like this as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

The only way to win in

Road to Rome

is to join a different queue.

Curious what exactly you think this means.