Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Tchill13]

OMGUS

[Tchill13]

A Dave or wave mode Lynch flips scum Imo. Those are the 2 I'm most sure of. IAI, hewhoswims and havo have a chance to but I'm more confident about Dave and wave mode.

I'd appreciate tora, Dunns and beefs thoughts here.

[davesaz]

Dude, it's not omgus when I've thought you were scum all along.

[Tchill13]

I thought about giving you a second chance after I called you out for your play early but your "questioning" simply disappeared and all you've done is lurked.

[davesaz]

It used to bug me that people would try to use activity/effort to make cases on me, but I've largely gotten over it.
Yes, I choose not to scream my position every 10 posts like some people.
I comment when there is something worth commenting on.

[Tchill13]

Well at least I was actively giving effort and pursuing an avenue I thought to be true. apparently there's been nothing worth commenting on for quite a while. That's a weak excuse.

[Tchill13]

I just didn't weigh the odds of the likelihood of what I was pursuing to be true. My stances were reaffirmed constantly based on people's play that I couldn't imagine coming from town. I was obviously wrong about that.

I don't think I'm wrong about you being scum. You've brought absolutely nothing to the table and played exactly how you did the last time I saw you as scum.

[Havo]

Claims -

Havo - VT
Tchill - VT
Tor - Mason
Dunn - 2 Shot Gunsmith
Dave - VT
Beef - VT Neighbor w/Wave
HWS - VT
IAI - VT
Wave - ? - Neighbor w/Beef

[Havo]

Scum team =

Wave/IAI/Dave

[Tchill13]

After everyone claims.

I will solve this game.

Scum team =

Wave/IAI/Dave

I'd say it's solid.

[HeWhoSwims]

So okay lemme try and break this down.

It seems that the top suspects are wave, dave, IAI and Tchill with Havo being thrown around. I shall try to ISO. Guess most of the D1 stuff isn't that useful without a scumflip right? Bussing and genuine accusations would be indistinguishable I think, as would be the case with scum defending each other and people actually trying to disprove accusations they don't believe. If there's anything really tipping me off then it will be included.

Spoiler: Wavemode

-927 checks out, especially now that Tora and Screen are conftown.
-Yeah most of the content is actually accusing Tchill of stuff, see 1178
-Being replaced, was inactive before

Spoiler: Dave

-I do think early stage questions are contributing to town but then again... the advantage isn't much on D1 I'd think.
-309 clears Beef which seems to be correct. However I'm not sure to see that as genuine gamesolving or scum gaining credit
-1211 makes sense. Townreads 2 players who were sort of suspected (I think?) and accuses Tchill who is suspicious with the mason stuff. If Dave is scum I doubt he'd try and clear those 2 (although a Tchill bus would make sense, but I'm not really seeing it like that for now as Tchill was suspected by more people)
-Not that much I can find that supports either scum!dave or town!dave

Spoiler: I Am Innocent

-Joda in 775 calls him out for being silent and then she got NK'd. But I tend to think the Joda kill was mostly because she was obvtown.
-Jumps onto Srceenplay post-hammer, didn't see the other 2 do this. Could be scum seeing an easy mislynch.
-Comes up with the massclaim on D3
-Is reaaaaaally OTTN towards Dunn while I'm (still) inclined to believe that claim. Also goes against mason in this.
-He is on both mislynches, but so were the masons apparently, so I don't consider this necessarily incriminating.

Spoiler: Tchill

-short posts D1, quick scroll through
-D2 starts off hunting hard against masons+screen (all proven inno)
-And that's honestly about everything for a while. If that's town it's really bad town. If it's scum... it's scum taking a biiiiiig risk. Seeing his determination on certain accusations and the fact he's experienced... I can see that happening.
-It baffles me that scum!Tchill would go after masons who are bound to be revealed one day however. But then again why the fuck would town!Tchill do it.
-Where do his accusations come frome exactly now that his original scumteam has been either killed or cleared?

Spoiler: Havo

-I really like Havo D2, instead of accusing the masons of being scum because they weren't NK'd (which is obviously scum trying to achieve a mislynch) he asks for contributions after their, admittedly, suspicious silence.
-Honestly like a voice of reason at points. Most recently making sure the claims aren't lost among all posts in the thread.

In order from most likely scum to town, I'd say

Tchill > IaI > Wave/Dave > Havo.

[HeWhoSwims]

So yeah I can live with IAI/Dave/Wave but Tchill would be my biggest worry there tbh.

[I Am Innocent]

Scum team =

Wave/IAI/Dave

After everyone claims.

I will solve this game.

Scum team =

Wave/IAI/Dave

I'd say it's solid.

The amount of effort being put into this game is amazing. You both are aware I pushed and voted Dave most of D1 right. Ignoring the screen (town) wagon, and the masons. So my plan was what exactly???

I’m willing to waste our last mislynch on me if Dunn goes tomorrow. Like I can’t see any other way for town to have a shot to win this. Too many suckers who have zero concept of game balance and setup. There is no way Dunn is a two shot town gunsmith.

[HeWhoSwims]

Since I'm celebrating it in 30 mins; happy new year in advance

[Apple Jack]

Official Vote Count

wavemode

(1): Dunnstral

Tchill13

(1): davesaz

Dunnstral

(1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting

(6): wavemode, Tchill13, HeWhoSwims, Beefster, Toranaga, Havo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-12 22:38:03)

[I Am Innocent]

Happy New Years all!

[Apple Jack]

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

[Beefster]

offtopic: It's really weird to me that some people in this game are in a different

year

than me. My new year isn't for another 7 hours.

Happy New Year 2018 to all, past, present, and future.

[Toranaga]

alright I have some time now to work in the game

[Toranaga]

eh got distracted

some thoughts I had without reading: I think dunn's claim is -fine- actually because he did it at start of the day and there wasn't much of a reason for him to do so as scum. it's not like dunn would have been lynched this gameday anyway and it's not a safe claim if you're doing ahead of others, for the odd chance another investigative might counterclaim you. I don't find his play appropriate because of the peeks he made and choosing not to hard defend screenplay when he could have just softed and make us go ~anywhere else, but I'm not convinced that actually means dunn is scum fakeclaiming and his actions are senseless otherwise. the maki peek is pretty bad as well on the great chance his peek might be useless (like it is right now) but again, not really AI and I think being concerned with maki is certainly fine.

maki being NKed ahead of me might point to tchill being town, although I'm sure maki just has a better handle of these long games than I have and is more of a SPK target anyway. I do believe I was left alive to still be a distraction in the game and push wrong things and keep arguing with tchill, who I was actually trying to ignore last gameday. there's an off chance maki is being killed because she'd scumread dunn for his claim, since they know each other well. maki didn't make any reads in the neighborhood but she was suspicious of dunn, but it's nothing for him to be pushed for tbh.

I like HWS this gameday. I also liked beefster the entire game so my POE is IAI, dave, wave, havo and tchill. have reasons to believe wave and dave aren't together, dave and tchill aren't together, and a bunch of people are either not with tchill or bussing him. IDK gun to my head I wanna lynch dave this gameday but I wanna hear from dunn and beefster.

[I Am Innocent]

But the claim doesn’t make sense from a balancing perspective. I challenge you to find another 13 player or smaller game with masons AND another investigative role.

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71697

here is one

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71697

here is one

gunsmith is scum here yeah IDK how this would work. couple of masons + 2 shot gunsmith + doctor + neighbours (and we normally assume at least one neighbour is town). it feels like way too much indeed.

[Toranaga]

so for instance, let's say town gets two mislynches d1 and d2, but neither the masons nor the gunsmith flips. on d3 if gunsmith has two living green checks and the mason claim is to be believed, we'd have a lock with 5 confirmed town and 1 possible mislynch.

so yeah it doesn't make sense, unless mafia has an actual night vig

[Tchill13]

Good break down. I agree with it.