Mini Normal 1976 - The Firsts - Night 2[End Jan 8]

[TwoInAMillion]

So he only shoots once. Thaats not hard.

[acryon]

So he only shoots once. Thaats not hard.

Except that if he's not scum he likely dies quickly. If he shoots, he is semi-confirmed town or SK. Either of those are very bad for scum to keep alive. But I think there is very close to 0% chance he is SK. No reason to out yourself like that to scum.

[profii]

Is there really a reason to do it as Vig. "he called me a liar" is total BS.

[TwoInAMillion]

I never said it was likely but he's not confirmed town.

[Sky_Paladin]

It is not impossible for scum to have a one-shot vig. Derpy is not confirmed town unless we see a scum flip overnight.

[acryon]

It is not impossible for scum to have a one-shot vig. Derpy is not confirmed town unless we see a scum flip overnight.

Actually according to the wiki, Vig's must be town-aligned.
"Vigilantes are considered Normal on mafiascum.net if their kill flavour is indistinguishable from other factions'. As of 9 November 2015,

they must also be town aligned.

"
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vigilante

[Mulch]

It is not impossible for scum to have a one-shot vig. Derpy is not confirmed town unless we see a scum flip overnight.

[Sky_Paladin]

Huh. Well, colour me surprised. My last game was in November 2015, they must have changed it right as I left.

So we have just over 2 hours left and I'm not seeing the wagons moving at all.

[Sky_Paladin]

Unofficial vote tally:

BuJaber(5) ~ PsykoSavant, TwoInAMillion, Hawk, profii, Acryon
PsykoSavant(3) ~ Jodaxq, Sky_Paladin, Mulch
Mulch(2) ~ acryon, Derpy Hooves
TwoInAMillion(1) ~ rb
Jodaxq(1) ~ BuJaber

I think I probably want to see rb on Pskyo since that is his preferred stated lynch.

Profii/Acryon you are around, what say you about Pskyo wagon? Do we even have enough around to push the Pskyo lynch at the moment, since he won't claim?

[Apple Jack]

Is there really a reason to do it as Vig. "he called me a liar" is total BS.

I pride myself in not lying unless I absolutely have to. For somebody to question my integrity like that when there wa absolutely no reason for me to lie is what is BS. He was given the opportunity to retract and apologize and refused.

[acryon]

Is there really a reason to do it as Vig. "he called me a liar" is total BS.

I pride myself in not lying unless I absolutely have to. For somebody to question my integrity like that when there wa absolutely no reason for me to lie is what is BS. He was given the opportunity to retract and apologize and refused.

Come on DH. This is mafia. There is no such thing as integrity when anyone can be made a liar by design whether they like it or not.

Unofficial vote tally:

BuJaber(5) ~ PsykoSavant, TwoInAMillion, Hawk, profii, Acryon
PsykoSavant(3) ~ Jodaxq, Sky_Paladin, Mulch
Mulch(2) ~ acryon, Derpy Hooves
TwoInAMillion(1) ~ rb
Jodaxq(1) ~ BuJaber

I think I probably want to see rb on Pskyo since that is his preferred stated lynch.

Profii/Acryon you are around, what say you about Pskyo wagon? Do we even have enough around to push the Pskyo lynch at the moment, since he won't claim?

Psyko never pinged me much, but I would vote there to avoid a NL.

[TwoInAMillion]

Being a good liar is necessary in mafia, if you are bad at least.

[Apple Jack]

Come on DH. This is mafia. There is no such thing as integrity when anyone can be made a liar by design whether they like it or not.

I almost never lie as town, and as scum I lie only when I have to (aka I am not scum and shit like that)

As town, the only lies I really tell are when I try to protect myself from outing my role or the limitations of my role. I also lied once when i threatened town I was going to get myself modkilled if we didn't lynch somebody but ultimately decided it was better to take the lie than do something harmful to the town.

I would never lie about something meaningless as confusing games.

[Apple Jack]

Being a good liar is necessary in mafia, if you are bad at least.

meh, given site meta and the number of shitty players lately, you can get by as scum without having to lie too much.

[Hawk]

I don't want a no lynch so I'll vote whoever buy I'm not believing BuJabers claim... But lynching outside of it is fine too so long as we don't completely waste our day.

[Sky_Paladin]

That's not very specific.

[acryon]

Derpy or Sky. Just need one of you to vote BuJaber and we avoid the NL.

[Jodaxq]

I'll do it

VOTE: BuJaber

This day needs to end

[Sky_Paladin]

We have enough players around that we could credibly lynch anywhere but we're down to two hours.

I could consider a BuJaber lynch - I was scum reading him for a good chunk of the phase and the only reason I don't want him on the chopping block is because of his claim - a claim that will probably be partially substantiated (or busted) by Mulch's inevitable flip.

Maybe it's just confirmation bias. I was feeling stung this morning when I thought I had a scumslip then the recoil afterwards made me not want to vote there.

Trouble is I think that slot is scum except for the claim, which I want to believe because it's consistent with some of his posts. But. I just feel like...there are a whole bunch of players who haven't really appeared in this phase and they can all plausibly deny it because of Christmas/New Year.

Never mind cut by hammer. Well I was talking myself around to doing it I think so now I can go to sleep. I'll see the flip in the morning.

[Sky_Paladin]

Derpy, please consider alignment of BuJaber and interactions with players when taking your shot.

[acryon]

Derpy, please consider alignment of BuJaber and interactions with players when taking your shot.

Echoing this, although personally I like a Mulch shot either way.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy, please consider alignment of BuJaber and interactions with players when taking your shot.

what does this mean?

what does town flip mean for mulch?

what does scum flip mean for mulch?

what about profli and psycho?

those are my 3 scum reads.

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm super keen on Mulch to leave the game one way or the other, but if BuJaber's flip is exactly what his claim is, that means Mulch is probably telling the truth, and the divine bullet will come from mafia.

Easy come, easy go.

[Apple Jack]

problem is I have see town and scum share the odd/even thing before so even if bu flips town, that doesn't confirm mulch is.

[Sky_Paladin]

@Derpy:
If BuJaber flips town, that means his claim fits with Mulch, which means disgustingly, he is probably town. For me at least that would be good enough - I'd figure you're best of shooting something else at your own discretion, since 99% likely mafia will be forced to hit him (or you).

If BuJaber flips scum, by all means divine bullet Mulch.

That's my thoughts on this. Ultimately it's your shot though and best pony will do what she does best.