Mini 1974: Pokemon Sapphire Mafia [Game over]

[Smocaine]

I guess Smocaine is also trying with questions, that's unfair.
I think he probably needs to reread too.

Nailed it.

Pretty sure Creature and luv are the only lynch options today.

lol I'm like pretty sure scum got a headstart, so no.

What do you mean by this?

It's when they arrive pretty early to the game. They can coordinate the first wagons and get away for a bit. Hence why I call headstart.

Maybe I just want it to be easy, so I can stop reading, but did Creature slip LUV scum here? 286 is just such a strange response to my 278.

To elaborate on this.

Votecount 1.01

Lil Uzi Vert (6):

Aeronaut, Not_Mafia, Wisdom, Cheetory6, LaserGuy, Kaede Akamatsu

Cheetory6 (1):

Marquis

LaserGuy (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (5):

Kokichi Oma, Creature, Smocaine, Luca Blight, Chara

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 votes to Lynch.

The deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2017-12-27 15:30:00).

The beginning of the LUV wagon here is all town. Creature knowingly lied here, and the question is why. Self-defense is the obvious answer since I listed him as a lynch target. However, he could have easily attacked my slot at that time or defended himself without resorting to telling a lie. This leads me to believe he was trying to plant doubt in the LUV wagon's foundation to prevent it from resurfacing.

[Smocaine]

Scum had a slow start, and that stems from the fact that the first wagon was on scum who reached L-1. I'll UNVOTE: for now.

[Micc]

Votecount 4.03

Smocaine (2):

Kokichi Oma, Lil Uzi Vert

Kaede Akumatsu (1):

Luca Blight

Not Voting (4):

Cheetory6, LaserGuy, Kaede Akumatsu, Smocaine

With 7 votes in play it takes 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2018-01-11 13:40:35).

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think my got D1 might just have been right...
VOTE: LUV

[Micc]

momo replaces LaserGuy.

Prodding Lil Uzi Vert.

[momo]

saw dudes...anyone feel like give me a summary of events ...

Reading will take me a bit, especially if I'm taking notes

Still isoing the VCs, there hasn't been a vote on my slot outside of rvs, any reason why? Am I widely townread....or a lurker?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Crap like that Smocaine doesn’t make me want to work with you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

and then only actually votes me when i vote LUV.

So you think LUV/Luca scumteam?

i have nfi anymore.

I think my got D1 might just have been right...
VOTE: LUV

How do you suddenly have a clue?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How do you suddenly have a clue?

I dont "suddenly" have a clue, I still don't, just going with what I think feels right.

[Smocaine]

Crap like that Smocaine doesn’t make me want to work with you.

But is it scummy?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Crap like that Smocaine doesn’t make me want to work with you.

But is it scummy?

I tend to find looking for slips and putting stock into the words of dead scum scummy. So yeah.

[Smocaine]

You gave Kaede a pass despite being on your early wagon because of Creature's words. How is that any different?

[Smocaine]

Skimmed. Still want to lynch Aero.

I think someone asked me why I town read Kaede. I’m town reading her simply because of the timing of when Creature mentioned her. I feel like if they were scum together, talk of her main would have gone down in pre-game.

I like Kokichi. Checking Marquis was a perfectly fine choose and it’s a shame he was getting grilled for that. Marquis only seemed to be really town read due to being a bit blunt and carefree. Also as others pointed out, I don’t think scum choose to claimed that they investigated a flipped mason.

I’m not really sure why there isn’t more suspicion regarding Laser. Smocaine is a wildcard and I don’t think you can go wrong with lynching him but I don’t get a scummy vibe from his posts.

For reference^

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Timing =/= Words

[Smocaine]

Semantics, the timing of Creature lying leads me to this conclusion.

[Smocaine]

saw dudes...anyone feel like give me a summary of events ...

Reading will take me a bit, especially if I'm taking notes

Still isoing the VCs, there hasn't been a vote on my slot outside of rvs, any reason why? Am I widely townread....or a lurker?

You're both, so you kinda maybe should make an attempt to do something given the gamestate.

[Smocaine]

Semantics, the timing of Creature lying leads me to this conclusion.

And if anything, the timing doesn't look good since Kaede while was garnering scumreads, but Creature only commented on something nai (alt hunting).

[momo]

Okay guys, we have about a week till the deadline...imma try and read in that time...in the meantime, the game looks like a bit of a stalemate...the rest of you need to pull up isos and start quoting multiple posts and coming up with an argument based on that evidence...

i know some of you are against this but the time has come to start posting walls

[Kokichi Oma]

Okay

[Smocaine]

Kokichi, I will not flirt with you for a year if you unvote me.

[Micc]

Sending out a game reminder to Luca Blight, who is on V/LA until 1/6.

[Cheetory6]

Done ISOdives on everyone but Luca.

Laser is town and I owe him a train.

Kokichi is also probably town. 650 sticks out like a sore thumb super hard and is by far the most awkward post Kokichi made, which kind of makes sense as someone who is trying to hide information into a post. Kokichi opens D1 with a really strong push for Luca and then completely drops it D2. Him thinking that Luca might be a mason is honestly kind of believable? Which makes the Marquis kill seem a little less likely unless you think Kokichi is the type to plan that far ahead. His targets/claim for his PR just don't really make sense coming from scum and I can buy the strength of the role in the context of the full setup.

@Kokichi

, one thing though, you've said that you thought Smocaine was scum for being impulsive with the hammer, can you explain why you never responded to him about the hammer in Alisae's game?

Smocaine is also probably town, but I'm less confident about it. The hammer on n_m and subsequent admission of townleaning him is just so bad that it doesn't feel like it could be scum having just come out of a day one scumlynch. Him having just lolhammered someone in Alisae's game also kind of lines up with this in terms of impulsiveness. Have some more thoughts on this, but holding onto them for now.

@Smocaine

, can I get some examples of you lolhammering as town before? Can you also you give me some thoughts on my Kokichi townread? Also also, wrt your theory on LUV with Creature, do you think that Creature puts stock in his ability to manipulate the gamestate as scum?

If Kaede is scum, I'm currently leaning that it's with LUV. Will elaborate on more after Luca dive if I still feel like that's the case. Kaede's hammer when the momentum was moving towards her is probably the worst looking thing in the game right now.

@momo

, you need to read the game.

Also:

Was there anything pointing to a third mason existing, or do you think they wanted to kill Chara?

Found it:

Oh, Chara is confirmed town. Everyone knows you can't say you've rolled town if you didn't!

This is actually true tho, no lie

[Kokichi Oma]

Kokichi, I will not flirt with you for a year if you unvote me.

Why should I townread you?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can’t seem to follow why anyone town reads Laser.

[Cheetory6]

@Kokichi, one thing though, you've said that you thought Smocaine was scum for being impulsive with the hammer, can you explain why you never responded to him about the hammer in Alisae's game?