Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

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[Mathdino]

OKAY

So we have Impede fencesitting on RedFlavor, Impede soft-defending AND chainsaw defending Creature (while voting Jay as an alternative), RedFlavor throwing out a scumread on Impede, Creature fencesitting on Impede, Creature soft-defending RedFlavor, and RedFlavor voting/pressuring Creature.

So there's 2/3 of the scumteam in here right? Or am I crazy?

[sheepsaysmeep]

inb4 i ask for a tldr

[Mathdino]

Yeah I’m newbscum defending my partner THAT obviously. Give Scum!Impede a LITTLE credit please.

Nah you're right I do give you some credit. I don't think you're necessarily partners with RedFlavor. Partners with Creature makes a little more sense.

VOTE: Impede

Parking vote here as I go read the Impede cases that I skimmed over previously.

[sheepsaysmeep]

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rip lol

[Impede]

It’s hardcore WIFOM territory I guess though since scum would come into the game knowing that their initial posts are probably heavily tonesetting. So I could argue easily that scum would and wouldn’t run up the VC.

Pedit: Where do I start defusing that lol. Your logic is good, but I don’t recall EVER defending Creature in any meaningful way. I was going hard on Jay while he was going after Creature, but I really had no interest in whether or not Creature was wagonned. In fact, at the time I think Jay was the only vote in him. Why would Scum!Impede expose his associations so easily? I swear I’m not a stupid player. Do endeavor to not read me like one

[sheepsaysmeep]

Are you gonna get mad if I say I think your in Middle School?

im in middle school

[sheepsaysmeep]

am i not supposed to say that online

[Mathdino]

It’s hardcore WIFOM territory I guess though since scum would come into the game knowing that their initial posts are probably heavily tonesetting. So I could argue easily that scum would and wouldn’t run up the VC.

Pedit: Where do I start defusing that lol. Your logic is good, but I don’t recall EVER defending Creature in any meaningful way. I was going hard on Jay while he was going after Creature, but I really had no interest in whether or not Creature was wagonned. In fact, at the time I think Jay was the only vote in him. Why would Scum!Impede expose his associations so easily? I swear I’m not a stupid player. Do endeavor to not read me like one

I'm probably gonna be one of very few players that won't immediately tell you "SELF META IS TRASH/SCUMMY" so understand that I'm throwing you a bone here.

Link me to your scumgames and I'll take an honest look at associations you've made. Obviously going forward now that I've called you out, analysing your associations with these people will pretty much be null, but you know that as well as I do.

I'll show the posts I'm talking about in a sec.

[Impede]

They look more like VIs and easy mislynches for me.

Idk, this looks towny. No reason for scum to say this. Could easily just be wishy washy or silent instead. The alternative is that one of the two are scum, but I can’t see this being actionable unless we get a red flip on creature.

Pedit: I’ve never once received a red PM, much to my dismay. I think I would wreck it

[Impede]

I thought mafia had no daytalk.

This is really easy to verify. Why would he say “I thought”? Again, either lazy town or careful scum.

[Mathdino]

An Itemized List of Impede Mentioning Creature

pedit: That's the most bizarre readslist I could possibly think of for this game. It literally just looks like one giant OMGUS to me.

Why do you scumread Creature and townread Kop? Also, don't ignore my other question in this post.

Hey all... Catching up.

... Can I at least get your reason for your vote now, Impede?

See below:

VOTE: Creature

It's a weird top scumread to have and definitely don't agree with your rationale, but trying to wagon Creature is actually town-productive here

All that to say, you managed to push me more towards scum/PL territory with that post than towards town whose play might improve.

Please tell me you all see what the points Almost and I have made so far about him? He literally doesn't give a shit. This is not a town response at all.

Valid. I could say the same about all of your survival posting too, but I feel like it would be beating a dead horse.

However, are you advocating a lynch purely based on lack of content/motivation? If so, what makes you certain that this isn't just lazy/unmotivated town as opposed to lurky/smug scum?

Pedit: There aren't any scumtells in Creature's posts. Just lots of PL fodder. Again, I love a good policy lynch, but it has to be a GOOD one. Convince me that (1) Creature has a higher probability of flipping red than you and (2) Creature has a lower probability of being town-productive than you, and I will add my vote to your wagon, if for no other reason than to try and scrounge up some motivation from him.

My lynchpool is, in order: Assemble, Creature, Red, and I’ll just throw in Kop for good measure as he’s a bit marginal for me.

Although I can share this tidbit now: Just finished a game with Red where his posting style and level of activity was similar. He seems to be trying maybe a tad bit harder here. He was VT.

Going to check out Creature some more after I put the kids to bed. Shouldn’t take long lmao. If I like what I see, I’ll happily put him at L-2. Stay tuned.

Wow a page 2 hammer

Were you scum, Jay?

This is scumhunting. Easy to fake, but still.

[JaydragonKing]

Hmm...

How about yellow or purple, Impede? Either one of those?

[Mathdino]

We're not always aware of the weird ways we'll interact with other players when we have too much information. The way you're acting is as if you have too much information. That's not a slight toward Scumpede, that's an observation of human behaviour.

The thing is, it's not even about you being necessarily partners with Red and Creature. It's the weird interactions and observations you've had with them. I'm not totally sure your flipping red would even be alignment indicative of them. But I know something smells wrong.

Need more time for this analysis. fitz's case was okay but honestly not super convincing. Relied on Impede being partners with Jay (although his behaviour toward Jay was weird too). Kop's case was much better. Una started out on I think a good track but now is townreading Impede because Impede pointed out my weird interactions with A50.

No one's taken a real hard look at him with Jay's flip. I'm a trailblazer! (maybe)

[Impede]

I thought mafia had no daytalk.

In general, Creature’s play is utterly non-Town-contributory and lynch-worthy for that reason alone. A few of his posts look like they could only come from Town or heavily self-aware scum, but idk how to sort him. I have a nagging feeling we are off-base on these wagons (although I’d love an Assemble lynch) and I know that I’ll get accused of being alignment informed for saying that, but w/e. It’s just what it is. I’m ok with lynching anyone on my list, so let’s run this up and see what we come up with.

VOTE: Creature

Pedit: You’re taking my posts out of context. I never just brought him up just to bring him up. And why would I telegraph an association that hard? Scum are more likely to intentionally avoid associations unless they can get Towncred for bussing or defuse a lynch without looking like scum

Pedit2: Colors? What?

Pedit3: I responded thoroughly to Kop’s case and no one gave a crap. What do you hope to achieve with all this scumlensing Math? You must see that you are in confbias land. You’re dismissing my actual motivation IN CONTEXT for all of these posts.

[Impede]

Oops didn’t mean to quote that again.

[sheepsaysmeep]

jay could be an sk and "confirm" him/herself

I thought mafia had no daytalk.

This is really easy to verify. Why would he say “I thought”? Again, either lazy town or careful scum.

im not seeing thi

[sheepsaysmeep]

impede, is it a coincidence that math puts you in a scumpartner pool with creature and you start looking at him and voting him?
the sequence is funky to me

[Impede]

Hmm...

How about yellow or purple, Impede? Either one of those?

Oh now I see what you’re asking. No lol. Never played as scum.

[Impede]

impede, is it a coincidence that math puts you in a scumpartner pool with creature and you start looking at him and voting him?
the sequence is funky to me

Are you reading at all? I said I would investigate Creature way before Math said anything about association.

[Mathdino]

Pedit: You’re taking my posts out of context. I never just brought him up just to bring him up. And why would I telegraph an association that hard? Scum are more likely to intentionally avoid associations unless they can get Towncred for bussing or defuse a lynch without looking like scum

Pedit3: I responded thoroughly to Kop’s case and no one gave a crap. What do you hope to achieve with all this scumlensing Math? You must see that you are in confbias land. You’re dismissing my actual motivation IN CONTEXT for all of these posts.

1. The whole point of scumhunting is training yourself to see those associations that scum try to hide. On one hand you're arguing you never intentionally brought him up, and on the other hand you're arguing scum intentionally avoid associations. That's literally what I'm scumreading. Your progression. PLUS you're ignoring the fact that I think it's possible Creature is town and you know this.

3. You know how I play . Let me do my thing.

Edit: wat. You don't get credit for saying you would hypothetically investigate Creature, lol.

[Impede]

No don’t you try to buddy me. Your analysis seems predatory to me and it’s worrisome. It would be one thing if you were at least giving me the benefit of the doubt where there’s ambiguity, but you’re just aiming for the throat. If you wanted my reaction, here it is. If you actually want to scumread me, then hopefully someone looks at the offchance of Scum!Dino

[Mathdino]

No don’t you try to buddy me. Your analysis seems predatory to me and it’s worrisome. It would be one thing if you were at least giving me the benefit of the doubt where there’s ambiguity, but you’re just aiming for the throat. If you wanted my reaction, here it is. If you actually want to scumread me, then hopefully someone looks at the offchance of Scum!Dino

You know this is OMGUS. It's not gonna help your case going forward. Work on your reactions

Just keep doing your thing, dude (as in, stuff other than reacting to my case). Let me do my analysis and let the town do its thing. If you're town, it'll become obvious.

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: impede
671 bad reaction
more pressure

[sheepsaysmeep]

btw i think math was talking abt my meta or smth
wiki in my sig has my mafiascum games