Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Dunnstral]

I want to lynch davesaz I think

[davesaz]

Tchill is still scum. Psyche/wave probably, dunn possibly.

[Tchill13]

well we need to pick somebody

[Psyche]

My problem with disbelieving dunn's claim is that his behavior even before the claim seems rather condordant with him having that role
i suppose he could've just been planning ahead though

[Tchill13]

VOTE: DAVE

[Psyche]

Been doing some thinking. Dunn is scum gunsmith. Makes sense for scum to have a gunsmith if town has a doctor due to the doctor having a gun.

if dunn is scum, then he can just lie about being a gunsmith
he could be some totally different role

[Tchill13]

Been doing some thinking. Dunn is scum gunsmith. Makes sense for scum to have a gunsmith if town has a doctor due to the doctor having a gun.

if dunn is scum, then he can just lie about being a gunsmith
he could be some totally different role

dr doesnt have a gun i was wrong

[davesaz]

That doesn't keep Scum!Dunn from claiming GS in a game which doesn't even have one.

[Dunnstral]

Why does scum dunn claim investigative results on 2 dead people when he's not under any pressure

[Psyche]

thinks it clears him

[I Am Innocent]

thinks it clears him

How much of this game have you read?

[I Am Innocent]

Why does scum dunn claim investigative results on 2 dead people when he's not under any pressure

With screen gone and the mason flip confirming tora, was any other player universally seen as town or scum. I feel like we all seem to reset most of our reads some putting us all at 3/8 chance of being scum, correct?

With this said I’m pretty close to moving my vote to psyche.

[I Am Innocent]

It’s a Saturday, read the game and give me something more than IAI vs Dunn.

[Dunnstral]

What if the taem is like, dave + havo + someone? I should take a closer look at hewhoswims I suppose

[Toranaga]

What if the taem is like, dave + havo + someone? I should take a closer look at hewhoswims I suppose

I don't think havo is with HWS based off d1 and how happy he was to join that wagon

[Toranaga]

Been doing some thinking. Dunn is scum gunsmith. Makes sense for scum to have a gunsmith if town has a doctor due to the doctor having a gun.

if dunn is scum, then he can just lie about being a gunsmith
he could be some totally different role

dr doesnt have a gun i was wrong

'gentlemen, you can't fight in here! this is the war room!'

[Apple Jack]

Official Vote Count

Psyche

(2): Toranaga, Havo

Dunnstral

(2): I Am Innocent, Tchill13

davesaz

(1): Dunnstral

Tchill13

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(3): Psyche, HeWhoSwims, Beefster

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-12 22:38:47)

[davesaz]

VOTE: Psyche

[Beefster]

So I just ran through who voted for whom and on what day. And my findings are interesting. I noticed 1 never-vote triangle and 3 haven't-voted-since-D1 triangles. HeWhoSwims is in all 4 triangles. I also noticed that Psyche has only one weak connection (mutual D1 vote) to HWS, so I think that suggests SK or town, as I've stated before. SK is still plausible. The kill could have overlapped or been blocked on N1, and wave probably didn't submit anything on N2 and thus didn't kill anyone.

Based solely on these voting patterns and no other context, we have these associations:
HWS/Tchill/IAI (the never-vote triangle)
HWS/Dunn/Havo
HWS/IAI/dave
HWS/Tchill/Havo

I realize this doesn't take into account bussing on any day other than D1 and it cuts out interactions and posts, but it is an interesting result nevertheless.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims
The only problem with this is that it doesn't give a ton of information upon the flip. An IAI town flip would clear dave and somewhat incriminate Dunn, or a scum flip would clear Dunn and Havo. A Havo town flip would clear Dunn and somewhat incriminate IAI, whereas a scum flip would clear IAI and dave.

I can show the table/graph I made if anyone wants it.

[Beefster]

Actually, I forgot that one of wave's HWS votes was on D2, so Psyche actually has NO connections by way of vote. My mistake.

[HeWhoSwims]

Having said that... I've voted for like 3 different people (Maki, Havo, Srceen D1, Srceen D2). I've not voted for 7 of the 8 other people here.

As for the flips you named some stuff, let me try and recap if I see anything else.

- IAI scum flip clears Dunn
- IAI town flip incriminates Dunn... I guess? Could be town being wrong but a town flip would make sure IAI's tunnel/suspicion are genuine if you get what I'm saying.
- Dunn scum flip clears IAI
- Dunn town flip incriminates IAI
- Dave scum flip would "mildly" clear Tchill and the other way around (judging from page 64-65 interaction)
- Psyche scum flip would clear Beef but he's mostly townread anyway.

@Beef where exactly do you get the Havo flip-consequences from? I can't quite see them. Also sharing the graph can never hurt I guess?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: psyche

this is L-1

[HeWhoSwims]

FWIW, looking through some recent posts in ISOs... Dunn's isn't exactly stellar. Last 10-15 posts are mostly one liners. Something slightly ticking me off is his response to Dave. His actual reaction which he quotes is 1 line again and when Dave asks him about not reacting on Day 1 he answers with a question followed by a vote for dave without a real stated ground right after Dave has a big post on suspecting Dunn. It doesn't help his townclaim credibility to me

[Tchill13]

a lot of play has been shit and i cant decipher bad town from scum.

Dunn literally just cleared himself

psyche/wavemode has to be scum i feel like

dave has played exactly like he did when i seen him as scum

HWS buddied early then pushed for my lynch early this day phase

havo and tora seem to have lost interest in this game

we need to lynch dunn/dave/psyche. idc which but one of those is prob town 2 scum.

[HeWhoSwims]

By clearing himself do you mean Dunn claiming gunsmith?

I've turned around on my stance on you after talking about the D2 tunneling situation.

If you're town, then scum would want one of them to flip, I think
If you're scum, you wouldn't want one of them to flip because it would make you suspicious.

(you = Tchill)

If Tchill were scum it would make little to no sense to throw out those accusations because when one of Maki/Tora/Screen inevitably flips town it would cast a lot of suspicion upon you. I hadn't thought about the situation like that earlier. It could be you taking a risk but I'd lean towards you being town. But then Scum would want one of the 3 to flip while you said you thought scum would want it unresolved. What would everyone say is what scum would likely do here and so is there anything we can get out of the D2 votes?