Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[Creature]

Actually, where did sheep hint he saw your conversation with Viomi?

[momo]

Okay guys.... before I vote nsg, I don't want this day to end just yet.

We need to find who MD was pushing against...then we need to decide if the kill was for wifom, then we lynch nsg, and then we go on to win the game

[Aster]

Actually, where did sheep hint he saw your conversation with Viomi?

His statements:

@Aster - why carry around a list of suspicious players but no townreads? i would also be tr'ing vioimi for the reasons he sr's her for in 374. and creature beats me to the point next page.

aster isnt convincing me he's town; i have HUGE problems with his playstyle, the way he only puts out sr's and only makes cases and stuff. it just doesnt feel natural enough

From the about 20 players I've played with on mafiascum (plus the everyone I've played with elsewhere), he's the first one to pretend that putting out only scumreads is scummy. Moreover, he does that quickly, long before he has even read through my posts. This could be an incredible coincidence, but the odd thing is that I had just told Viomi last night that I tend to look for scumreads instead of townreads.

If Viomi were to systematically copy all posts from the neighbourhood over to the scumthread, then it would make complete sense why Sheepy noticed so early that I was keeping a list of scumreads and no townreads: if he already knew that (1) he should lynch Aster and (2) Aster has tedencies to only carry scumreads, then of course he'd quickly jump onto the opportunity to use "why aren't you carrying townreads?"

I'd imagine that if Sheepy was not aware of my neighbourhood chat, then it would take an incredible coincidence for him to (1) be the first to take making a list of scumreads as a scumtell and (2) already do that based on only my early game posts, almost as if he knew there wouldn't be coming townreads later. I think this is a kind of subconscious slip: because he knew more about my playstyle from the mafia thread, he looked at my posts differently than he would've if this was his first time reading me.

He made a statement that he's likely to make if he and Viomi were scum, and unlikely to make if he was an unaware townie. (In addition to that, there are many more suggestions that they're working together, but this is a main slip that suggests they're communicating.)

[sheepsaysmeep]

In neighbourhood, Viomi wrote:
I'm a neighborizer. I picked you for two reasons:

1. I have a very strong town read on you
2. You think I'm scum

I also really wanna know your thoughts and need some help on who to have my eyes on, my reads are pretty bad almost always.

She neighbourised me because I thought she was scum? I mean, it is a valid tactic to get one of the main wagoners off your case, but it could also suggest that she was scum who was just neighbourising those who were the biggest threats to them, just to get them off their cases.

she thought you were town lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

he's the first one to pretend that putting out only scumreads is scummy

define "pretend"

[sheepsaysmeep]

it's more like i read your posts lmao

[Creature]

sheep, how did you notice Aster had just scumreads?

[sheepsaysmeep]

but holy shit your view is narrow
also

Who are you not townreading?

luv null, nsg/momo/ce scumlean, aster/tex scum

[sheepsaysmeep]

sheep, how did you notice Aster had just scumreads?

i literally read his posts
at the bottom of every post he would put a list of "suspicious people"
every post was just a case against someone and he didnt townread anything iirc

[texcat]

Texcat - 2

Northsidegal - 3

Kidamn

Assemblerotws

- 4

Sheep

CommKnight

- 6

Mutantdevle - 8 Doctor

MisaTange - 30 Vanilla

CityElectric - 5

Chip Butty - 5 Jailkeeper

Momo

Cheeky/Wilky

- 7

Creature - 7

Lil Uzi

Lalendra

- 7

Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 Vanilla

Viomi - 1 Neighborizer (Confirmed by Aster. Claims to have been jailed N2.)

Unclaimed roles:
N3 Vig / Vengeful
1 shot Vig / 1 shot PGO
Cop / 1 shot Redirector
1 shot Commuter / 1 shot Watcher
Backup / Rolecop

If Viomi is town and telling the truth about being jailed, we have a Backup and not a Rolecop. Therefore Northside did not choose Rolecop. I think she must have picked N3 vig.
Viomi is an odd choice for the jailkeeper. I can't believe the jailkeeper was trying to protect him. So I must think that the jailkeeper thought he was scum and was just trying to prevent the NK.
Aster also seems like an odd choice to neighborize. Not what I would have done, although Viomi did have an explanation for it.

If Viomi is scum, then he might be lying about being jailed. He might have thought he needed an excuse for not neighborizing someone when he did the NK. But, of course, this lie would be quickly exposed by the jailkeeper and this would only work if scum knew there was no backup role. This would only delay the exposure of the lie until the rolecop died. On the whole, this seems unlikely. None of this prevents Viomi from being scum and telling the truth about being jailed however.

tl;dr Northside is scum N3 vig and needs to be lynched today.

[Aster]

i literally read his posts
at the bottom of every post he would put a list of "suspicious people"

Now "every" is a misrepresentation. I'm fairly certain I've only ever posted two such lists in this entire game. Those two posts have nine posts without a list in between them.

So, where does this "every" come from? Did you expect that more lists happened or were going to happen? Did you, after having been given information by Viomi, immediately assume that these lists were commonplace after seeing the second one?

[sheepsaysmeep]

few things:
viomi can easily be scum neighborizer
this is untrue
at least someone put a tldr
can we not pr hunt

[sheepsaysmeep]

aster you really have potential as a scum player
a good place to start to get better is to stop scumclaiming

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’ll try to get to this tonight.

I don’t see an issue with the way North hammered but I’m still suspicious of her. Consider my vote there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i'm assuimg that "someone pelase hammer" means there's nothing to claim.

VOTE: chip butty

I understand why she’s getting heat for this but I honestly thought he wasn’t a PR after he said that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t want to lynch North if it’s based on not waiting for a claim.

Smells like a policy lynch.

[sheepsaysmeep]

why havent we lynched tex or aster yet

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I actually have some time to kill. I’ll finish catching up.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I think this is definitely where I wanna go.

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

[Lil Uzi Vert]

aster you really have potential as a scum player
a good place to start to get better is to stop scumclaiming

This isn’t even a rebuttal

[sheepsaysmeep]

bad vote lol
pedit do i need to refute that?

[sheepsaysmeep]

i literally read his posts
at the bottom of every post he would put a list of "suspicious people"

Now "every" is a misrepresentation. I'm fairly certain I've only ever posted two such lists in this entire game. Those two posts have nine posts without a list in between them.

So, where does this "every" come from? Did you expect that more lists happened or were going to happen? Did you, after having been given information by Viomi, immediately assume that these lists were commonplace after seeing the second one?

tell me this needs refuting

[sheepsaysmeep]

essentially "every" is a misuse
it's neither a misrepresentation nor viomi being a scumpartner telling me that you post a list under every post

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A misuse is to purposefully say or do something in the wrong way. So yes, you were misrepresenting him.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i used the wrong word
that's a misuse