Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Apple Jack]

Official Vote Count

Psyche

(4): Toranaga, Havo, davesaz, Tchill13

davesaz

(1): Dunnstral

HeWhoSwims

(1): Beefster

Dunnstral

(1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting

(2): Psyche, HeWhoSwims

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-12 22:38:17)

[Tchill13]

Scum definitely Sat back and lurked. As far as vote placement goes... I'd say it just took one scum vote to get screen lynched. They were probably too scared to pile on and wanted to take full advantage of town beating themselves. I doubt there's 2 scum on the wagon.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(6): Havo, HeWhoSwims, I Am Innocent, Maki Harukawa, Toranaga, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): davesaz, wavemode, Srceenplay

I Am Innocent

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-03 12:52:20)

A Lynch has occurred

My issue is I TR all the people on the wagon.

Now the question is was it possible scum didn't have to vote their to push it through?

Dave and wave both voted me. Surely one of them is scum not wanting to be on the main wagon.

[Beefster]

Table | Graph
Ignore the connection between HWS and psyche. I wasn't paying attention there.

The graph shows possible connections based on who did not vote for whom. Note that I excluded Tora since he's confirmed town at this point. The dotted line connection between HWS and Havo shows the mutual vote on D1, which might possibly be early distancing, but it's hard to say.

Note that if Havo is removed from the graph (and is town), only 2 triangles remain, giving some evidence that IAI is scum. Similarly, if IAI is removed from the graph, only 2 triangles remain, with HWS and Havo in both.

Look. I know it's a shaky case, but that's only if looked at in isolation.

The graph doesn't really show why IAI and Dunn town flips would incriminate the other, for instance. That is shown more by interactions of them co-suspecting each other in such a way that does not look like scum vs scum.

My lynch preference order at this point is HWS, IAI, Psyche, and sorta-kinda-but-not-really-that-much Havo.

I feel a little bit better about Psyche's slot since he came in, but I still would say SK Psyche is plausible.

[Toranaga]

unvote

[Toranaga]

you think psyche has equity as both a SK and neighbor? not that it's unheard of, I just never really considered a SK in this setup

I suppose if dunn is telling the truth, one of the scum players at least is godfathered.

[Havo]

?????????

[Havo]

you think psyche has equity as both a SK and neighbor? not that it's unheard of, I just never really considered a SK in this setup

I suppose if dunn is telling the truth, one of the scum players at least is godfathered.

Yeah if Dunn is town GS then scum has to have at least 2PRs IMO.

[HeWhoSwims]

Godfather would still show a gun right? Then it'd have to be traitor or doc.

[Havo]

I find it concerning that Beef is now advocating HWS/IAI/Wave

@Beef. How much communication have you had with psyche in your private forum?

[Toranaga]

Godfather would still show a gun right? Then it'd have to be traitor or doc.

you're probably right, I don't know if gunsmith goes through godfather or not. maybe it does, then my spec makes no sense.

scum needs to be powerful yes.

this SK speculation reminds me of tchill asking me if I vigged jodax. somehow that still bothers me.

[Toranaga]

for dunn to be a gunsmith, it makes sense for mafia to have a doctor, and for mafia to have a doctor maybe there is a neutral SKer in the game, which explains tchill's question in a way if he is somehow TMI spewing that either wolfteam or neutral SKer did not kill jodax. that would mean jodax or the mafia doc saved a kill n1, and mafia doc saved the neutral SKer kill n2

in a game with masons and gunsmith, following a c9++ tradition, it makes sense to have a 4th non town aligned member

tchill, are you the SKer?

[Toranaga]

for dunn to be a gunsmith, it makes sense for mafia to have a doctor, and for mafia to have a doctor maybe there is a neutral SKer in the game, which explains tchill's question in a way if he is somehow TMI spewing that either wolfteam or neutral SKer did not kill jodax. that would mean jodax or the mafia doc saved a kill n1, and mafia doc saved the neutral SKer kill n2

in a game with masons and gunsmith, following a c9++ tradition, it makes sense to have a 4th non town aligned member

tchill, are you the SKer?

mafia could easily have roleblocked a SKer kill as well

[Toranaga]

if we have two masons, a doctor and a gunsmith, what does mafia have?

I'd say almost certainly a roleblocker, and to balance out a gunsmith, they'd have a doctor, or a traitor, which works as balance measure in this setup. I highly suspect this would be a setup that has a neutral-aligned SKer, otherwise I think it's too townsided.

[Beefster]

I find it concerning that Beef is now advocating HWS/IAI/Wave

@Beef. How much communication have you had with psyche in your private forum?

Pretty much none. Nothing to talk about with the neighborhood outed.

[Psyche]

i just don’t have loads of free time necessary for the kind of analysis you’re looking for from me
it’s gonna take me more time than you seem to have patience for

[Tchill13]

VOTE: psyche

Vote parking Idc

[Psyche]

your third mislynch in a row

[Toranaga]

your third mislynch in a row

you're not lynched

keep working itg you're L-2 rn

tchill, are you the SKer?

[Tchill13]

I'm the completely lost towny

[HeWhoSwims]

A serial killer... It could be possible but I wouldn't think so right now. I've never played with one, what would they want to do? My guess is scum is always going to be after obvtown - why would the SK do the same twice in a row if neither town not scum can win with SK alive?

Anyhow... It is possible scum role blocked them. And that a kill overlapped although I'm not 100% convinced. Today's flip or the night will probably clear it up.

I'd there is a SK I wouldn't know who it is though. Would a typical SK play similar to scum? I guess so?

[I Am Innocent]

i just don’t have loads of free time necessary for the kind of analysis you’re looking for from me
it’s gonna take me more time than you seem to have patience for

What analysis? You replace into a game and it is expected to read up on it and start playing. If you couldn’t devote to that why did you replace in?

[Toranaga]

A serial killer... It could be possible but I wouldn't think so right now. I've never played with one, what would they want to do? My guess is scum is always going to be after obvtown - why would the SK do the same twice in a row if neither town not scum can win with SK alive?

Anyhow... It is possible scum role blocked them. And that a kill overlapped although I'm not 100% convinced. Today's flip or the night will probably clear it up.

I'd there is a SK I wouldn't know who it is though. Would a typical SK play similar to scum? I guess so?

they'd play similar to town as they don't have TMI on scum and can just scumhunt the same way. some players have more or less noticeable 'PR tells' that I think might show as SK.

[HeWhoSwims]

Okay, thank you.

I'm guessing that it would be better for SK to try and get scum out (does scum win if they equal town+SK?) and then after whittling the scum down they'd focus on town? Not sure if that helps hunt a SK if there even is one to start with but it's just the train of thought I'm having.

Anyway as I said... I think if tonight's kill is a single one then there's no SK, wouldn't they have successfully made their own kill after 3 opportunities?

[Apple Jack]

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