Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

also pagetop

[sheepsaysmeep]

90% sure that's a hammer

[Mathdino]

@Jay: You should take it as a compliment that I stayed up to make fun of the way you talk. You should think about the consequence of your survivor strat bein a little too strong. And I got a scumread, he's more suspicious. He's lurkin the thread, doin I don't know what. You're the vig, it makes me hate you so much (

I hate you so much

).

@sheep: Not a hammer. Double vote. He's at L-1.

[JaydragonKing]

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor, Hawk, Impede, Momo, and Mathdino are the guys currently with votes on Creature, Sheep.

Let that stop your worries.

[JaydragonKing]

Do you dream of me, Math Dino?

Does Elsa Jay grind your gears that much?

[Mathdino]

S-K or Drive...
Vengeful or Hide...
You've ruined my life.
Cuz you just won't diii-iii-iiie (ding)

You're SUSPICIOUS
I can't say anything to your face
Not even my case
And I'm so FURIOUS
At you for makin me feel this way
But what can I say?
SUSPICIOUS

[Mathdino]

You should take it as a compliment
That I'm talkin to everyone here but you
And you should think about the consequence
Of you vigging my ass in a darkened room
If you got a scum role, I'm jealous of yours
But if you're a PR, that's honestly worse
Cuz you're so suspicious,

it actually hurts

(honey, it hurts)

[sheepsaysmeep]

Do you dream of me, Math Dino?

well this is awkward

[momo]

Oh thank god that's not a hammer

Sheep, don't change your avatar if you are in the middle of a game ever, it's annoying

Is there anyone seriously opposed to a creature win

[JaydragonKing]

Now I feel like you just got a hate-boner just now, Dino.

[Mathdino]

Elsa's blue eyes
Lookin in mine
I feel like I might
Lynch and make her diii-iii-iiie

You're SUSPICIOUS
I can't say anything to your face
Not even my case
And I'm so FURIOUS
At you for makin me feel this way
But what can I say?
SUSPICIOUS

PEdit: (don't think so, I just want a claim)

[sheepsaysmeep]

well this is awkward

[JaydragonKing]

Oh look at that, I just aged another year in my life.

[Mathdino]

You make me so angry, you're like the grinch
There's nothin I hate more than what I can't lynch
And you're so suspicious it makes me flinch
You're suspicious

You make me so angry, you're like the grinch
There's nothin I hate more than what I can't lynch
And you're so suspicious it makes me flinch

You're suspicious

To be clear to everyone, absolutely nothing on this page is intended as a breadcrumb in any way and you should speedlynch me if I try to refer to any of my lyrics as actual substance

[Mathdino]

Hey congrats!

Jay, I think it would be good for the sake of the hider stuff for you to give a pool of 2-3 people that you intend to shoot (assuming we lynch Creature) so we can reorganise hiders so they don't accidentally get shot by you.

[sheepsaysmeep]

21st century shakespeare

[sheepsaysmeep]

congrats jay

[JaydragonKing]

I was honestly thinking the same thing, because of what I said earlier. This also helps any other TI around to investigate someone not getting shot by me.

If I'm going to be frank... Obviously Impede is one of my options, I'll actually leave him alone completely at the moment because that's too obvious at the moment.

I think I should shoot one of the more null players, and if I had to say between two, it'd be Fitz/Kop or sheep.

[Mathdino]

Also helps the JK not protect someone getting shot by you (as this would de-confirm you).

Can you give a definite list of 2 or 3 targets? (while being as WIFOMy as possible, you have no responsibility to actually justify your reads)

I'll pull up the hypohider list so we can reorganise once you do so.

UNVOTE:
Consider my vote still on Creature for the purposes of end-of-day lynching him.

[Impede]

Oh thank God. I thought for sure I was gonna get shot but didn’t want to say anything to put scum on the trail.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm afraid that a few players (cough you, and me earlier) are just skimming well-written cases and being swayed.

OK, this is EXACTLY what I was saying in my previous post: I feel like certain players have been lead on by impressive LOOKING cases, that are nothing but smoke and mirrors.
I feel like A50 got a too easy townread from some.
I think Impede got scumread because of the way people stacked on their "scumreads" on top of each others previous ones - not checking whether they even agreed with everything or even MOST.

I myself have found posts from Impede that I thought could be interpreted as scummy, but my main read on him is Town.
If I were to just take those few parts I disliked and added them on the pile of "cases" others have built, I would've ended up death tunneling him to the end.

On this same notion, I think sheep has been either scummy or lazy - not making the effort to start of case from the scratch.
MathDino is making the effort, BUT I'm seriously getting worried it's just posing.
I get a feeling he is currently trying to pocket and "appease" me, and him as town would have no reason to do so.
I like the fact that he provides so much to read though - if he's scum he is almost bound to make a mistake or monitor his posting so heavily it should be visible lategame.

MY BIGGEST REASON FOR WANTING A50 TO FLIP, IS BECAUSE A RED MONKEY WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE PARTNERED WITH A RED DINO.

#MyLastCaseFile #ifTomorrowNeverComes #NailThemScumsters #DontTrustA50 #BeWaryOfMomo #InactiveTowniesNeedToVote #YouHaveAVoice

[Mathdino]

You cherry picked the "good point" from my post xD. The important part was that townblocs fail more often due to town paranoia than due to scum infiltration. You're right that I'm appeasing everyone. You'll notice so far that unless I have a problem with someone's play (policy territory), I'm trying to be diplomatic. This is because I feel that town unity is extremely important D1 and D2, and people bickering over lynches that won't or shouldn't happen is harmful to that. It's why I always mark quotes of your posts with "For the record, this guy is wrong, but I'm not questioning his alignment". I don't want you to think I'm going after you, and I don't want to accidentally/unnecessarily bait others into doing so. So yeah, I do have reason to do all this.

Again, this is a case of you trying to point things about my playstyle that I could've already told you, or that you could've realised from meta. You "speculate" (really just reading the obvious) before you ask questions of me. This sort of behaviour is part of why you haven't been too convincing. There's also the matter that your reads are super self-centred and seemingly primarily based around others' interactions with you.

We'll deal with A50 tomorrow, as I've said numerous times, every single time you've brought up the A50 lynch idea. It's insane to think you're more likely to lynch the guy D1 than D2.

But if you wanna just talk about A50 preemptively, I'm entirely game (CRAZY IDEA: You can talk about your scumreads with other people even when you're not trying to lynch them!).

@Una/Impede:

Explain scum-A50's push on Una/Impede, which was filled with holes. Do you believe he genuinely tunneled into those mistakes?

[RedFlavor]

Sup hey what do we do

[UnaBombaH]

We'll deal with A50 tomorrow, as I've said numerous times, every single time you've brought up the A50 lynch idea. It's insane to think you're more likely to lynch the guy D1 than D2.

Two things "wrong" about this (from my PoV obviously!).
1. I might not be alive tomorrow, making sure the push keeps happening. You might still be alive, and keep "soft-defending" him.

2. "Something always comes up" during nights. A faked guilty. An actual guilty. Something that yet again gives us a "more likely lynch".
"...and we'll deal with A50 eventually."

Again, this is a case of you trying to point things about my playstyle that I could've already told you, or that you could've realised from meta. You "speculate" (really just reading the obvious) before you ask questions of me. This sort of behaviour is part of why you haven't been too convincing. There's also the matter that your reads are super self-centred and seemingly primarily based around others' interactions with you.

A very astute observation. You just put my main-weaknesses as a townplayer in a nutshell.

@Una/Impede: Explain scum-A50's push on Una/Impede, which was filled with holes. Do you believe he genuinely tunneled into those mistakes?

He wanted to appear game-solvy.
I did some VCA with set assumptions, and wrote the results in excel. I now have a few scenarios where (depending on who we lynch, and who flips after the night), I can comfortably start drawing associations.
One thing I noticed about A50 was that he stuck to the first "easy" wagon of RedFlavor for a long time.
At the point where I had been voting for him for a few days and was causing commotion about his slot, he jumped onto Impede. (trying to appear towny for not sticking to easy wagons)
Then opted to jump into another "easy" wagon in Creature because it seemed as if it would slide all the way through.
His "scumpush" on me was bad, because it was forced as well.
He tried to mask it behind "omgus" and frustration, but I don't buy it.

[UnaBombaH]

I believe A50 will not be the lynch today, but I'm certainly going to keep investigating the game with the theory of A50+momo.

Dino is my paranoia-scumread, but likely town. (he seems to be a genuinely nice guy and actively keeps the peace, which I MIGHT HAVE MISTAKEN for pocketing)

The third scum is either SK or can be found in the inactives (in which case we will likely find them with the VCAs later)