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[sheepsaysmeep]

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[sheepsaysmeep]

Oh hey guys. Who are the scummies?

bit self conscious, could be scum?
VOTE: sephiroth

im not seeing how this is self conscious

[sheepsaysmeep]

So consolidated town/p.o.e list:

Town: moz, kat, flubber,kat, sheep,

3 scum in: Seph, Inter, Serg,Hopkirk, UC, Scishm, Bjaber, Human

strongly suggest we stick to those 8, almost 50 pr cent chance already of hittng scum.

the confidence in this list is def scummy

[sheepsaysmeep]

We have 3 good candidates already

We have 3 good candidates already

i have 4 actually !!!

can we like
say who these are

[Not_Mafia]

UC/Flubber/Sephiroth/INtercinfoanwrgaergn

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep's vote on me for a "bad entrance" after calling the votes on my wagon opportunistic is hypocritical and incredibly careless, at the very least.

i called your vote on ucv opportunistic
your enterance was forced and felt faked
how is this hypocrisy?
also, can you respond to 41

[sheepsaysmeep]

UC/Flubber/Sephiroth/INtercinfoanwrgaergn

ucv isnt a good wagon rn, agreeing entirely with kat that the "inconsistency" isnt rlly actual inconsistency
seph i liked his reaction to some pressure
inter is nullish
flubber is a wagon im fine with atm

[mozamis]

my "confident" reads consost of 5 people that are very likely town. then 8 people who i read as null or scum. I wouldnt say that is over confident.
but yeah, for early day 1, i think its helpful that we have 5 people that are obv town. getting the 3 out of 8 could be trickier, however...

[sheepsaysmeep]

the "almost 50% chance of hitting scum" struck me as scummily confident

[mozamis]

well, i cant really help that. altho my maths is bad, the calc tells me its 37.5 per cent.
you're an exp. alt, you know that those 5 guys i listed are so likely to be town. and also that most of the scum team prob havent posted yet.

[sheepsaysmeep]

im not an alt btw
i played a few games on another site and mu but this is my only account on ms other than an anime alt which i havent used

[sheepsaysmeep]

havent read anything yet except this lol

could be self conscious, procrastinating scum

fos serg

self conscious i kind of see, but procrastination usually isnt a tell

Oh we need to put UCV at l-1?

VOTE: UCV

and an opportunistic vote as well!
yeah up for seriph or serg

im psure that was an rvs response to nm pushing for putting ucv at l1

[humaneatingmonkey]

holy shit guys calm down

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Flubb

Not personal, like Serg's. This is game-related.

[BuJaber]

6 pages deep already.. 6 pages.. real content? barely any.. for the record I hate stupid shit like "are you town" "yes" "k ty, what about me?" "town" "ok" and pagetop comments. Do these really need to be single and separate posts? I especially hate them because from my limited experience on this site they're usually coming from town, which is annoying coz I scumread that shit fast. Too much fluff.

Why Flubber over Sephiroth

why do you care

I agree with sheep here, why does Internecine care? Sheep did say he's down to lynch either. Perhaps Flub is scum and Seph isn't and thats why Internecine voted Seph and is asking sheep why he's voting flub instead of seph?

First off, I don't think Seph could be scum because of the possibility. He was scum in our last game so i don't think he could hit scum again. Yeah, I want Flub lynched even more now.

VOTE: Flub

I am reading overeagerness to jump to conclusions that imo can easily be wrong. Add to that the weird opening and the vote on UCV which altogether is making me scumread serg.

So consolidated town/p.o.e list:

Town: moz, kat, flubber,kat, sheep,

3 scum in: Seph, Inter, Serg,Hopkirk, UC, Scishm, Bjaber, Human

strongly suggest we stick to those 8, almost 50 pr cent chance already of hittng scum.

well, i cant really help that. altho my maths is bad, the calc tells me its 37.5 per cent.
you're an exp. alt, you know that those 5 guys i listed are so likely to be town. and also that most of the scum team prob havent posted yet.

If this is coming from town it is very misguided. How in the world do you conftown 5 people this early on? Where's your sense of healthy doubt? This forces closed-mindedness. Not only that but then you also encourage sheepy to go with your reads or back them up. This is so scummy that the only defense I have for it is it might be too scummy for scum. Plus I reject the notion that active = posting a lot everyday. People have lives, you can lurk and post a lot of junk and you can be active by posting only once or twice a day/every 2 days. It's all in the attitude, content, and effort. Not to mention the fact that the best scum are those that are actively driving the discussion to suit their nefarious needs. Yes of course not all, and lurking is still typically a scumtell but you definitely need to be careful about about labeling people without much thought.

VOTE: Moz

If this is a reaction test well here's my reaction, fix my perception of you.

VOTE: Flubb

Not personal, like Serg's. This is game-related.

You say it's game related but don't explain. How does that make it better than a personal reason?

I can see 1 scum being among flubber/seph. I'm getting an early town vibe from sheep. And I agree that UCV's thing about RVS is not AI. Intern actually looking up players' profiles before the game starts struck me as interesting. It's definitely more pre-game effort than I have ever given and ever will probably. I just can't decide if that makes him more likely to be scum or town.
The rest I don't really have anything to say about.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because in the sign-ups people were being mean to Flubb and I don't want him to think that I'm being mean to him.

[BuJaber]

Okay but what makes you think he's scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

dunno im just feeling it maybe later ill see more things that would make me right

[BuJaber]

BTW your comment made me go read the signup posts. Actually explains a few posts here (like serg's 72). That is messed up lol I never knew I had to go back to the signups to get insight.

[Katyusha]

I think there’s plenty of real content /:

anyway

I don’t think moz’s approach is inherently scummy but I would still like to know how he came to the conclusion flub’s town

[BuJaber]

I think there’s plenty of real content /:

anyway

I don’t think moz’s approach is inherently scummy but I would still like to know how he came to the conclusion flub’s town

Maybe I exaggerated, sorry. Wasn't trying to discount the real content in the thread. Just a lot of noise also.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: BuJaber

Avatar is too edgy for me please lynch this

VOTE: internecine

Hmmm. Avatars mean nothing

Walk on the moon with me for a second Hop

I think it's absolutely believable this vote is serious coming from someone who is known for trying to force RVS to end early and want clarification

Do you disagree?

1.) That requires UCV to think that everyone agrees with him, hence find anyone participating in RVS scummy. He clearly doesn't have that view since he only referenced one person there, not everyone involved in RVS.
2.) It's a wagon, not a major scumread. Main value is how UCV and other reaction to it. You're treating it like more than it is to a strange degree.

it's a wagon growing quickly
you/flubb both hopped on with none of your own reasoning
it's opportunistic

Same problem. An RVS wagon isn't going to lead to a lynch unless the game stagnates afterwards, or someone lolhammers. It's an alternative to/extension of RVS. It gets reactions. I dislike yours.

i guess early day wagons are good for pressure/reactions
im fine with that now
seph reacts good under some pressure
what even is a dichotomy

This gives me the impression you weren't seriously opposed earlier since you backed down- and townread Seph- based purely on a basic explination of what he was doing. 'It's an extension of RVS' is explaining intent, not a good or a bad reaction unless you actually have thoughts on the intent. I don't like the way you changed perspectives here.

[Hopkirk]

Flubber town.

serg i'm not following

are you reading intern/flub as a pair already bc from your post it seems like you should be voting for intern? which i dont really agree with but still

VOTE: flub

i'm going to trust in the meta reads of seph either way and let that sort itself out later tho

Let's put Flub at L-1 and see how he reacts to pressure

down for that as well

As in right now i think its possible these two could be buddies.

I'll know if Seph is scum. He lurks hardcore so if i see him lurk i will be putting him in a strong scum read.

Bad.

I agree with sheep here, why does Internecine care? Sheep did say he's down to lynch either. Perhaps Flub is scum and Seph isn't and thats why Internecine voted Seph and is asking sheep why he's voting flub instead of seph?

Already went over it, its better to consolidate on one wagon instead of splitting it between the two of them.

Like this

VOTE: Flubber

Nah, multiple wagons is good. It has to go through a transition phase.

[Katyusha]

hopkirk i dont know if you're being deliberately obstinate but i'm obviously not referring to ucv's thoughts regarding rvs here?

can you reread what i've been writing?

[Hopkirk]

@Kat: Haven't caught up yet. Posting as I read.

I wonder why nobody’s really commented on me/NM. I like NM too.

and an Hopkirk.
Played with twice when he was town and both times he was very active, proactive. it's early days but so far he has been lightweight.

I disagree with all three of these points.

Unless you're counting really old games (which either don't exist, or I've forgotten), we've only played one (completed) game together. I was third party playing protown and was more active because I had a succesful game breaking strategy that I needed to impliment. That required more words.

I disagree I didn't do anything in my first few posts. I got the UC wagon started which got us out of RVS and that/reactions to that are the cause of all the current wagons.

Also, I was the last post in thread as of when I went to sleep last night. I'm GMT.