Mini Normal 1976 - The Firsts - Night 2[End Jan 8]

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Okay wtf how is everyone this scummy this early

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I might be reading this game wrong. I'll re-read later and give 2 cents

I haven't been that scummy honestly. And saying that totally wasn't scummy either... Or that...

VOTE: Jodaxq

easy game

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Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence!

HowToLoseEveryGameAsTown.jpg

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Sky Paladin probably town though

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flavour for this game is really cool

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Sky Paladin probably town though

Based off what exactly?

I think presuming innocence in grey-areas is unlikely to come from scum, bc that would create a lot of work backtracking later

will see how sky develops but its townlean rn

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I mean i just scumread ppl who use meta a lot since i cbf looking up all the meta to verify if they even are using meta correctly

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somehow it seems weird to think 2iam would omit it and hope we dont notice when both me and monkey were also in that game?

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if anything the fact he is careless about this stuff makes me think hes town bc hed be very 'wary' of how i caught him as scum in that game just before. none of the things that pinged me then rly ping me here either.

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im going to bed anyeay its 4am wgere i am

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about halfway through page 6 i went from reading to skimming

by the end of page 7 i upgraded from skimming to skipping

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so when are we lynching jodaxq?

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firstly, before i get started- we could really use some contribution from acryon.

anyway, i read HEM and Derpys ISOs. Probably easiest to look at HEM first- he thinks Psyko is scum because his reaction to 'truly random' was to metadive and find a reason to call him scum, essentially HEM thought that reaction was a bit over the top


then you have Derpy, he thought Psyko lied about the facts, then decided in post 93 that he wasnt right about that, however, psyko is still scummy regardless (p95) (i cant really see why though)


Fast forward to after the argument, where Hem and derpy couldnt work that out for themselves, we ended up with a vig claim (uncontested thus far)

Personally i cant glean a scum read from HEM or Mulch so i need to remove my vote from BuJ as the logic was BuJ was defending his scum mate.

What I can see is a reckless vig who is going to shoot someone come what may - if we lynch town by accident today, then Derpy shoots mulch and scum kill someone else we risk losing 3 town by the time day 2 starts, so purely for damage limitation

VOTE: Derpy Hooves

sorry pal but you are a danger to town

what did i just read

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im actually not confident profi is scum, just being ridiculous

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yes it is. It's stronger than any hunch I may have about the other 4-5 names I've so far suspected, so I want to start there.

that's not what a policy lynch is

also i don't really get this angle. it's like voting someone for policy voting, but why is profil scum as opposed to just one of the many town players who advocate for policy?

not that i agree with it here, but it seems a stretch to me that your strongest hunch is just because someone policy voted

im wondering if Bujaber is scum and trying to deflect from a partner's wagon rn

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or maybe even distancing from a buddy

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Also i hope that hawk is town because he's made a few pretty astute observations recently

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Profi is trying to policy lynch
You're trying to policy lynch profi

I mean at this point..whatever

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Also i hope that hawk is town because he's made a few pretty astute observations recently

Which observations are astute? And how do you know if they are astute without knowing the alignment of his reads?

It's possible to make good observations on parts of the game not necessarily to do with alignment

His last few posts are him picking up discrepancies and airing them out. It's a good pickup and also good that he brings it up in a cooperative way, so I hope he's town because if so he's gonna be easy to work with

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why are you voting Derpy though

theyve both claimed pr

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profi might literally just be that derpy, im not gonna rule it out yet

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jodax probably not a great lynch actually. His last post is pretty town

Bujaber or profi today imo

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VOTE: BuJaber

This feels better than profi to me

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hmm, honestly i feel something is wrong here unless the scum are just the low activity players

day1 lurker lynch is so meh though

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You know what

VOTE: PsykoSavant

i think this is scum

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Profi in retrospect is probably just town, BuJaber is tryharding and if theyre scum theyll fall off later. I just forgot about these other slots because of low activity, but i think theres better lynches than anyone in the current dramasphere (derpy/mulch/profi/buj). Inclined to just townread this all for day1, since it'll sort itself out at night anyway

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You know what

VOTE: PsykoSavant

i think this is scum

This is possible. I think monkey was right that there is 1 scum between 2inam and psyko.

Especially if derpy is right and monkey slot is scum then that makes it even more likely that 1 of those two are scum. Bceause he'd be too afraid of saying anything definitively like "both are town" or "x is town" as that could come back to bite him later. It's better he risks outing his buddy that had already gotten into it with another person.

rb - what about jodax and sky?

jodax seems kinda town in their last few posts, sky i was townreading earlier and i dont see much reason to 180 on that since the inactivity is probably just christmas

i cant even read these mulch vs. the world arguments and its gonna sort itself out at night anyway so id rather avoid lynching either of the PR claims when we could likely hit a scum today!

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actually idk, jodax made an alright post but they dont really interact and get messy like town do. could still be scum

im townreading derpy independent of claim at this point. Sky is probably town as well, their recent posts are towny and their trajectory all game has been town to me.

profi is still suggesting batshit crazy things but crazy isnt an alignment tell

er, im kinda missing people as well. a lot of this game has been dominated by mulch/derpy and the things outside of that arent clicking for me.

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honestly yeah, psyko is scum imo

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Do I really need to read the last 5 pages of arguments?

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These posts are so much longer and more numerous than I can be bothered reading lol

Who should I vote that isn't Mulch/DH?

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I townread sky and im just gonna vote where theyre happy to vote rn. This day is draining as fuck. If i get more enthusiasm ill look over it again but honestly this dragged out argument is killing my inspiration atm

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apathy for mafia in general on top of drama apathy is probably accurate lol

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man it's weird how u guys see Buj as more scum than Psyko to me?

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we can agree on Hawk and Sky being town though

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why are they not town? i dont think their games are very fakeable

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I will literally never lynch Sky this game

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honestly on a quick re-iso I don't feel like Bujaber is as scummy as Sky is casing them to be

and i'm back to thinking Jodax is scum

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mulch ive never seen you be apathetic towards a game before though

ive skimmed or skipped most of the arguing but since no one's getting force replaced it doesn't seem all that heated, why so mad?

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i think i'll immediately regret getting involved in this shit but fuck it, the day is stalling and there's some people who seem hellbent on lynching this so i wanna know why

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mulch ive never seen you be apathetic towards a game before though

ive skimmed or skipped most of the arguing but since no one's getting force replaced it doesn't seem all that heated, why so mad?

I don't understand this post at all. You say you've never seen him this apathetic, but then ask why he's so mad?

can't tell if you're trolling or not?

when a game is making someone mad, they take less interest in it. Mulch's apathy and lack of caring about the game obviously stems from him being frustrated by something, and I'm asking what. I've seen him play as both scum and town, and I've never seen him just mentally check out of the game like this before so I'm reading this as him being genuinely frustrated

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mulch ive never seen you be apathetic towards a game before though

ive skimmed or skipped most of the arguing but since no one's getting force replaced it doesn't seem all that heated, why so mad?

Because I've had bullshit stuffed up my ass for the entire game and no room to breathe, including


- People who say that people who vote scum are no more likely to be town
- People who say that people who vote town are no more likely to be wolfs
- People who say that a mislynch bait being nightkilled is disadvatnaageous to scum
- People who say that saying lynching a cop claim day 1 means that I think they are "an inno child"
- People who say meta is uesless
- People who say that because HEM never aplogized he was lock scum

Among other things

I'm done

yeah i'd say that most of those things are wrong but i'm well beyond the point where i bother trying to debate game theory on this site :lol:

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Well yeah that's why i've wanted to avoid lynching either of the claims bc i feel like both of them are likely to flip town

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um thats pretty bad lol

it would make sense only if he was scum, but if you think hes town the solution here is to work together not to advocate a policy lynch

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8. This game features Day Talk.

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lol, i just read the entire first 2 posts to get that

god damnit

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I don't get why it's a scumslip either

Also don't get why we are still policy lynching when we could just try to lynch scum?

No matter how much I try to filter out this stupid 1v1, it keeps returning to the game. At this point I can't even take it seriously

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Can we lynch Psyko now .____.

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Jodax/Acryon/Psyko

consensus on scummiest?

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I'm gonna say again, lynching is a bad move for town.

Please use a different defence than this

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I feel like rb has been even worse with providing content than me. I feel rb could use some more looks although as Sky says there probably isn't enough time. All I've seen is that Mulch town reads him for meta reasons only

I mean, ive been actively avoiding this whole claim fiasco and focussing on the things I'm seeing outside of it.

I make more worthwhile points in 100 words than most of this game makes in 1000. Where do you feel my posts lack content besides overall length?

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I actually find Bujaber's claim the most believable of the 3 rofl

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I'm not putting it past Derpy Hooves to be pulling a gambit as either alignment here.

Mulch's frustration feels genuine and not put on - I've seen mulch play as both alignments at least a few times and this frustration from him is just overall new to me, and that's something I consider a towntell. I'd be right pissed off and demotivated if I replaced into a game where a claimed vig was hellbent on tunneling me/shooting me.

Bujaber claimed at L-1, and he claimed commuter. Commuter isn't something you claim if you're scum, and it's not something you claim to detract from a different PR either. Or at least if your goal is to not get shot at, you don't claim odd-night or something, you just claim full commuter. This is the most sensible claim of the whole game.

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I don't wanna lynch any of these 3.

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sigh

VOTE: 2iam

idek anymore

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of all 3 claims you want to lynch literally the most believable one

okay...

wot the fuk

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commuter isn't a powerful role?

HAHAHAHA

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what is this game

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unkillable at night

most active player in the game so far

if we have any protection, they don't even have to protect bujaber on odd nights, so whoever they protect means we have 2 unkillable town members every odd night

holyfuckingshit

like the only reason to do this is because you explicitly think Bujaber is scum and his claim is false. there is absolutely no reason, if you think Bujaber might be town, that this is preferable to another lynch

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Also keep in mind commuter is yet

another

PR that could theoretically live forever without being proven real or fake.

relevant only if you actually scumread Buj

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okay i got pocketed by Mulch

yeah 2iam is locktown now

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Last 2 scum in acryon/Jodax/Psyko/profli imo

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After the flips, I think Acryon is more scum than profli

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Also sorry I wasnt here EOD, I started playing osu! and I was on fire >_>

I eventually got 34th/570,000 on a beatmap so i think i can be excused, it was important ok

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Well, that and it was like 4am my time xdddd

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Willing to vote profli but I want to think about this first

Namely whether or not Mulch was being bussed, which I think is really likely because of how willing so many people were to switch onto Bujaber from Mulch. Not in the 'im over this game' kinda way but 'woo let's lynch Bujaber instead'

I think Mulch was getting bussed because he was announced as a vig shot.

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maybe but seems town has quite a bit of power so 3 makes sense?

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I don't see how it's unreasonable to think Mulch might distance from partners given the circumstances.

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Okay it's tinfoil hat time - I'm thinking derpy might be SK.

3 scum with a vig would make it possible to go to a day2 MyLo. 3v8, lynch town, vig town, NK town = 3v5 on Day2.

More likely a 2/1/8? SK first priority is to scumhunt anyway and be seen as town, get scumteam gone and then win off towncred while 'looking for the last scum'.

/tinfoil

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Unless the reviewers were dumb enough to make potential Day2 MyLo a thing then I don't think we have a 3/8

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Is this reality

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lol cya scum

Intent to hammer

Does it even matter

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lol it's confirmed scum who am i kidding

VOTE: PsykoSavant

ez game

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Coaching in main thread when we established there was day talk ages ago? I mean...that's pretty reachy and not only that I kinda doubt that Hawk is scum at this stage

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That was a quick day:).

its ez when scum make bad fakeclaims

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He's literally calling him scum...how is it coaching? Wtf lmao

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Like no, when Psyko flips scum there's no way Hawk is a partner here

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3rd P

Psyko is for sure scum

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Either that or it's gg now and this was an absurd 2v9

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Anyway its 330am im gonna sleep

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Ahahaha did we just cross-kill?

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Honestly - wp to Hawk, Sky and Bujaber. That Bujaber lynch was utter bullshit lmao.

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the thing is his role pm doesn't even say he can protect himself. It should have been clearer imo but whatever. yall won anyway

Role PM says I can attempt to save one player in the game. I'm a player in the game.

Although thank you everyone for the heads up that Doc's can't usually protect themselves. Thats not how it works on the other forum I play on so I didn't even second guess myself that I could do it.

Yeah that's unlucky.

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Okay just read the Mafia PT thread they didn't know I was mason till RB checked me. The ninja woulda fucked my mind with the setup.

Also to answer RB about why I thought doc flip made Derpy more likely SK. If I believed there was tracker then town either had.

Doc, Vig, Commuter, Tracker, double masons and it was only 2 VT and triple scum. Or 2 scum 1 3rd party that didn't shoot n1. oooooorrrr I believe that Derpy is SK.

You could have gotten me to lynch Derpy RB. After Psycho flipped Doc I thought he was SK because I thought we still had a tracker.

I could have got you to do it but I had a definite problem in that to others he was conftown and leaving alive a player who was conftown to half the game and also active...I'd be putting A LOT of faith in my ability to pocket you for the rest of the game and I just wasn't sure.

The thing is killing Derpy was killing off potential 3rdP + widely townread player. No one else in the game was as townread, I'd already found Mason #2 and so I knew how to leverage the game from there.