Night Clan - [Game Over]

[Vaxkiller]

Seemed liek a good idea to me. But the counter points are better.

AD still prob town.

[Hinduragi]

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

By masons, do you mean daughters? What would entitle a claim from one of them?

[Cabd]

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

By masons, do you mean daughters? What would entitle a claim from one of them?

Let's say you run me up. Why WOULDN'T I claim daughter if I'm scum? And now we either lynch me anyways on what amounts to a voinflip of killing one of our own three high protective assets; ask for confirmation (thereby exposing another mason if I'm town); or let me go without any. All three of those scenarios suck, but we should figure out in advance which of those three is ideal.

[Joey_]

Hi

[Vaxkiller]

Well obviously one daughter dying is better than revealing others, so I would encourage the daughters to not out themselves to save another.

Im actually still confused on how AD's idea reveals the "set". I thought his idea was if you are a daughter, you hide behind the next person in the player list, so if a daughter dies, we know who the scum is.

[Vaxkiller]

Oh I *think* I see. If they skip pl they know to be daughters... we could lyncha daughter unless someone saves them

NM.

[ActionDan]

Claims of "I'm a mason" are a terrible conundrum. We don't want a second mason to claim to confirm it should it be legit; but otoh as scum, a counterclaim still kills one of our three.

By masons, do you mean daughters? What would entitle a claim from one of them?

Let's say you run me up. Why WOULDN'T I claim daughter if I'm scum? And now we either lynch me anyways on what amounts to a voinflip of killing one of our own three high protective assets; ask for confirmation (thereby exposing another mason if I'm town); or let me go without any. All three of those scenarios suck, but we should figure out in advance which of those three is ideal.

I think it's best for a mason to claim if you're scum. Otherwise stay silent. That should be a rule we instate.

[ActionDan]

Oh I *think* I see. If they skip pl they know to be daughters... we could lyncha daughter unless someone saves them

That's indeed the problem.

Alternatives include, everyone choosing someone to hide behind of their own accord pre-N1 and making this public, or simply not planning ahead at all.

At the very least, I think something like the former should be done.

[Cabd]

Spitballing: Every player targets at random the player directly above or below them for night one. At daystart you claim if you upped or downed. Hiders that die then give us a list of two names, one of which is scum; but if there's another mason next to them, they obviously just go the other direction.

[Kotoko Utsugi]

VOTE: vaxkiller

Quicklynch plz.

Why?

[Kaito Momota]

I thought about it (and hopefully most people did) but I think a formalized set hypo-targeting plan for daughters is a good way to start this game for at least the first night.

The simplest is everyone targets the next available non-daughter below them on the playerlist. #1 targets #2 etc. (unless #1 and #2 are both daughters than #1 targets #3, number #2 targets #4, granted this would suck, but it's a necessary evil; all plans of this sort run into the same problem but we can vote on any arbitrary one possibly).

I think we should agree to this relatively quickly before Mafia get any sense of the flow of the game. Doing this now avoids crumbs and an awkward hypo-claim process later.
Simply quote
Yeah
Nay

to express approval. I don't want this to be a drawn out affair

I disagree because if mafia suspect someone is daughter they know who to target

[Vaxkiller]

Better, there is low probability of all 3 masons being 3 in a row.

I think scum would look for the people who are forgetful/lackadaisical about saying up or down and it would point to the daughters more easily.

Maybe not say up or down, but:

N1 Choose the person above or below you in the player list.
N2 Choose the person 2 slots above or below you in the list.
etc...

[Vaxkiller]

WAit. No.

[Kagami]

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

[Vaxkiller]

All this talk is dumb... how many scum are there? We shouldn't be using them as "scum detectors" Daughters need to find someone they know to be town and hide there. Maybe to avoid all the daughters hiding int he same place they can choose the towniest person near them int he player list.

[Vaxkiller]

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

Ummm, that's fine, but everyone should still talk.

[Kaito Momota]

I find the current plan objectionable

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

ok, interested in this

[Kotoko Utsugi]

You understand the issue with hiders repeatedly hiding behind the towniest people, correct?

[Kotoko Utsugi]

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

Ummm, that's fine, but everyone should still talk.

This does nothing to advance the game and is all focused on gaming the setup and is mostly NAI, sooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Yeah. Lets talk about each other and who we want to swing.

[Kaito Momota]

me? I never directed the hiders at anyone

[Kotoko Utsugi]

Nope you pedit'd me, I was talking to vax

[ActionDan]

Spitballing: Every player targets at random the player directly above or below them for night one. At daystart you claim if you upped or downed. Hiders that die then give us a list of two names, one of which is scum; but if there's another mason next to them, they obviously just go the other direction.

This is definitely an improvement. Would incorporate

[Nosferatu]

AD still prob town.

why

[Kagami]

How about this:

Let's imagine the masons are: Cabd, Kaito Momota, and Kyoko Kirigiri. Note that they are players #3, #7, and #14 in the OP.

find a python interpreter, like this one -- https://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_ ... online.php

the masons input the following, making sure that the line with "daughters = [x, y, z]" has their numbers for x, y, and z (the order doesn't matter):

Code: Select all

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
"""
Created on Tue Jan 09 12:05:48 2018

@author: kagami
"""


daughters = [7, 3, 15]
day = 1
donotvisit = []

def getbestvisit(day, daughters, donotvisit):
    configurationvalue = reduce(lambda x,y: x*y, daughters) + 1000
    
    nondaughters = [x for x in range(1,18) if not x in daughters and not x in donotvisit]
    if len(nondaughters) <= 3:
        return nondaughters
    
    primenumbers = [2, 3, 5]
    
    i = primenumbers[-1]
    addval = 2
    while len(primenumbers) < configurationvalue + 100:
        i += addval
        addval = 7 - addval
        
        isprime = True
        for j in primenumbers:
            if j >= i ** 0.5:
                break        
            if i % j == 0:
                isprime = False
                break
        if isprime:
            primenumbers.append(i)        
    
    while True:
        outs = []
        for (i, d) in enumerate(daughters):
            daughterprime = primenumbers[configurationvalue + d]
            dayprime = primenumbers[day + 100]
            val = (dayprime ** daughterprime) % 17
            if val >= len(nondaughters):
                break
            outs.append(nondaughters[val])
        if len(outs) == 3 and len(set(outs)) == 3:
            break
        configurationvalue += 1
        day += 20
    return outs
        
outs = getbestvisit(day, daughters, donotvisit)
for (i, d) in enumerate(daughters):
    print 'Daughter #{} should target player #{}'.format(d, outs[i])

On future days, if they want to use this again, they put people that have already been visited in the line "donotvisit = []" and change the "day = 1" to "day = 2".

In this example, they would get

Code: Select all

Daughter #7 should target player #4
Daughter #3 should target player #12
Daughter #15 should target player #11

So their input on day 2 would be the above code, but lines 9-11 would be

Code: Select all

daughters = [7, 3, 15]
day = 2
donotvisit = [4, 12, 11]

Good luck to the scumteam if they want to reverse engineer that.

[Kagami]

I accidentally put 15 (Kotoko Utsugi) in the code where I meant to have 14 (Kyoko Kirigiri) in there, but the idea is the same.