Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[AnonymousGhost]

Independent of 1228, 1260, and 1348, I'm going to take a look at the Dino Defense of Impede and everyone who was "gunning" for an Impede lynch. I would like to check the 'where' and 'when' in which the currently living people who were convinced that Impede was scum "conceded" to your argument i.e. Momo, Sheep, Kop, and fitz. I think Kop was the last one to say something out of all the rest, but I need to check this.

PEdit:

Thanks for sharing that Dino.

[momo]

Yes/no: Are you one of the following roles: {1-shot Commuter, Tracker, Gunsmith}

No

[momo]

UNVOTE:

While I am happy you are unvoting...a nake unvote is not going to cut it

How does this change your reads, what's going on

This looks like scum trying to get of a town lynch while they can

VOTE: screenplay

[momo]

i explained my vote in my next post
it was really more of a vote to respond to a really bad post
and his read on me was too fluctuaty
like i was most town in the category "likely not scum" or smth
then i vote him
after my explanation he still categorizes it as a naked vote and moves me to scummy af
like now he has out of the blue new reasons sort of
also i did explain why i thought he was coasty recently

Sheep I townreadish you because I thought spammy was your playstyle

When screen told me all your votes were pretty naked, i looked back...that way you're playing bullshit...believe me if the screen lynch doesn't go through, I'm coming for you

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep I townreadish you because I thought spammy was your playstyle

it is my playstyle
you "thought"? why dont you think that anymore
also why is that worth a townread

[sheepsaysmeep]

k so i looked through momo's short "case"
it's like actual bullshit just confbias and misrepresentations
i dont see how the hell dino hard townreads this

[Mathdino]

sheep if playing badly and not being at all persuasive is a scumtell you're at the top of my scumlist

[sheepsaysmeep]

hold on im writing a wall

[momo]

hold on im writing a wall

sheep writing a wall....b.s. you are changing your playstyle 'cause ur caught scum

[sheepsaysmeep]

no it's not for not being persuasive
i do admit his play isnt very good as either alignment
he's literally misrepresenting screen and his attacks are exaggerated in a scummy way; it's so obvious he's reaching for reasons

[sheepsaysmeep]

holy shit i write walls when i feel like im onto smth ok

[sheepsaysmeep]

you have this one game of experience with me where i was never actually motivated to do smth until now fuck off for a few minutes pls

[sheepsaysmeep]

Anything important that everyone should know?

I’ll iso when needed.

Anyone found a way to break this setup?

No, just no..I have replaced into games frequently and I can say that when I get a town pm...if the game is withing 50 pages, I will ask for a summary but actually have the intent to read and scumhunt...something like this; hands down lazy scum.

im not seeing how he gets that screen has no intent to read and scumhunt from this post. this is also bullshit because he LITERALLY STARTS SCUMHUNTING RIGHT AFTER that post and momo wrote this case a fucking long while after

A50: looks town

Creature: nullscum, posting style feels a bit forced

fitz: first serious vote, doesn't really try to take credit for ending RVS, seems town

Impede: i have no idea what he's talking about in regards to Una but probably town just towning around

Jay: seems to be actively playing to his own meta. i don't think his behavior is super alignment indicative in general, and he's kind of a fluffy fluffer. i'm good with lynching him as a player until he learns not to be scummy. but then again he's probably town doing that weird "forced meta" thing

Kop: POLICY LYNCH. idk him giving advice to jay seems really forced, the way he's doing it. like he's speaking as a player and not as a townie?

Red: vague townish vibes

Una: i can't read any of this shit but i hope he contributes soon

everyone else: get in here so i can scumread you pls

Can you elaborate on some of these, because this is striking me as forced reads. Your accusing me of looking forced, this is more forced shit rather than actual reads.

How does Almost50 look town, what does town look like? He's made one RVS vote, and one filler post. How does that make him look town?

Creature, if you believe he is nullscum, why aren't you voting him since he's virtually your only scum read?

Impede, how is he towning around?

Jay, so your happy to lynch someone just to learn them to stop acting scummy, rather than actually lynching someone who you scum read? Do you scum read Jay or not?

Myself, your talking about policy lynching someone on page 4, and no reason because Fitz has painted myself as a policy lynch because of previous games.

Overall, reading these reads, I don't think they are actually genuine reads right now, and is just trying to look active.

VOTE: Mathdino

Agree with kop.
Seems kinda early to have enough confidence in giving reads to that many people.
On top of that, a lot were town leans.

Making votes based on post 90 on post 900 is nonsense....especially when the person you are voting is part of the town leadership and leading a wagon on likely scum.

it's fine it's not like dino was a lynch candidate
momo's basically attacking screen for attacking someone momo's townreading
like it's not that scummy for him to not realize that screen doing this isnt scummy cause i can see this being vi

VOTE: impede

I think as of now I would rather this slot be the lynch and I haven’t even seen creature yet.

Voting without reading... a solid scum reason to be able to protect your buddy as a replace in but not something town worth the space their post takes up would ever do.

like it's already pretty clear that screen had read quite a bit at that point but especially momo just because you play pussytown doesnt mean town will never vote a scumread before theyre fully caught up

VOTE: Dino

Not helpful

Math,
Summarize Kop and Fitz for us.

Was hard scum reading dino....now want's dino's opinion to shape his reads instead of actually scum hunting...

yeah and this is obviously very bad because changing reads doesnt exist and a vote and saying smth isnt helpful always means a hard scum read
like this is a REALLY bad misrep

[sheepsaysmeep]

hi momo

[momo]

listen boy...you know what this looks like...you defending a scum buddy...

you hopped on every single wagon except for the ones on assemble/screen

In fact...you were defending asseble...saying you liked him for town even though there was no content to cause a townread

everyone, go to sheep's iso and ctrl+f assemble...every single mention has sheep defending that slot

n00b!scum at it's finest

y'all can choose a vote, sheep or screen...I'm fine on either

[Mathdino]

Momo please don't join the shit train

There's 1 scum left

[momo]

Momo please don't join the shit train

There's 1 scum left

i read your setupspec...is this 100 percent

is so...whelp

okay, going individual...kop's play is how I would expect somebody good but not great scum to play (not great because it is still recognizable)


anyone remember playing with scum!kop...what's he like

[Srceenplay]

The assumption is we are looking for a 1 and 1. Correct?

[Mathdino]

I'll run some combinatorics on the chances but if Kopscum says no then we're pretty much certain

If anyone remains uncertain I'm gonna strong-arm vengeful claims from people and that should confirm it

Edit correct

[Mathdino]

Ebwop: Kop. Autocorrect

[Impede]

@Kop - Here's my case on momo.

momo - His early statement that he doesn't believe in town reads was ironic given that he handed a few of those out throughout D1. 683 and 717 are hedgy. Momo claims (683) that both Impede and Creature are scum, but says that Impede should be lynched first because of "more info" but doesn't explain what sort of information we could gain.

Momo says this again and again but never explains what sort of information we'd gain. At a later point when Impede's wagon is loosing traction, Momo undermines his statements on Scum!Impede saying that Impede is not the scummiest lynch candidate. Instead, favoring a Creature wagon saying that "he has more content than redflavor in the effort to make himself appear towny, but is scummy" (717). He undermines this again in 729 when he address that "While I think both - (Creature & Impede) - are scummy ... i think impede flip, no matter what it is, provides more information which we could use right now" with no mention of RedFlavor at all

Yeah this is weird. I think it’s Town!Momo inconsistency though. Scum should be more concerned about flip flopping like this. Momo is fairly careless and unmethodical in his approach, which I think is a towntell and also the cause of what you are interpreting as scummy behavior.

I think recent posting by Momo is more likely to yield scumtells if you are looking for them. Dude is very likely going to show more inconsistency in transitioning from complacency after being widely TRed to defending himself against a building wagon.

[Mathdino]

Impede we have 1 scum left

Talk to me about today's non-horrible lynch options and give sentences for pros and cons of each

[Impede]

Independent of 1228, 1260, and 1348, I'm going to take a look at the Dino Defense of Impede and everyone who was "gunning" for an Impede lynch. I would like to check the 'where' and 'when' in which the currently living people who were convinced that Impede was scum "conceded" to your argument i.e. Momo, Sheep, Kop, and fitz. I think Kop was the last one to say something out of all the rest, but I need to check this.

PEdit:

Thanks for sharing that Dino.

This kind of seals the deal on Town!AG for me. Nice posting lately. Very aggressive scumhunting. Not reachy or fabricated at all. Looks like excellent townplay to me. Well done if you’re town. Extremely well done if you’re scum.

[Impede]

sheep if playing badly and not being at all persuasive is a scumtell you're at the top of my scumlist

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[sheepsaysmeep]

oh i misinterpreted that rip