2017 NFL Football

[PJ.]

I just want to watch the world burn.

[PJ.]

That's 16 minutes long AND DOESN"T EVEN INCLUDE THIS YEAR

[PJ.]

I don't think that's a particularly bad choice.

[PJ.]

Playing Pokémon had nothing to do with what SK said tho.

[PJ.]

Jags vs Rams please

[PJ.]

Dome team out doors in december.
Philly vs vikings in the nfc finals.

[PJ.]

good players don't make good coaches iirc.

Jim Harbaugh
Mike Ditka
Dick LeBeau (as a coordinator)
Jeff Fisher
Jack Del Rio

[PJ.]

Also ppr is the best and that's definitely a big reason why MS league is meaningless.

[PJ.]

good players don't make

good coaches

iirc.

Jim Harbaugh
Mike Ditka
Dick LeBeau (as a coordinator)

Jeff Fisher

Jack Del Rio

"Jeff Fisher" "good coach"

He was good until he wasn't. Conservative and behind the times now should take away from him being pretty good in the late 90s early 00s.

I'd replace Jeff Fisher with Ron Rivera

Ron Rivera not a "good player"

[PJ.]

I forgot they play in a dome...yikes

[PJ.]

I caught those two years tho..

[PJ.]

Henry is nothing like Fournette.

[PJ.]

eat that, Llama!

And I cover $210 pays $200 profit NO +5.5

Perfect.

Ha. Good teams win, great teams cover. Gj llama.

[PJ.]

Philly and the under.

Idk how I feel about the pats game yet

[PJ.]

I'm surprised the NFL hasn't announced it's investigating the end of the Vikings/Saints game because of the kneel down on the extra point at the end, to be honest. After all, it made a significant difference to the fate of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars worth of bets, and people have been convicted of fixing much smaller things in other sports. It's the kind of decision that warrants some kind of check that it's on the up and up. Also, Goodell hasn't come down hard on someone without evidence or justification recently, and this seems the perfect opportunity to wrongly screw someone.

This seems completely reasonable tbh. I hadn't thought about it before, but that kneel could definitely have been dirty

idk why you posted this, but all I learned was that Norwood was garbage. Like dude...how does one go 1-4 on grass from 40+ yards on the year when their team plays on grass at home?

[PJ.]

I'm surprised the NFL hasn't announced it's investigating the end of the Vikings/Saints game because of the kneel down on the extra point at the end, to be honest. After all, it made a significant difference to the fate of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars worth of bets, and people have been convicted of fixing much smaller things in other sports. It's the kind of decision that warrants some kind of check that it's on the up and up. Also, Goodell hasn't come down hard on someone without evidence or justification recently, and this seems the perfect opportunity to wrongly screw someone.

This seems completely reasonable tbh. I hadn't thought about it before, but that kneel could definitely have been dirty

I'm not saying it was - I just think they wanted to get the fuck out of there because the game was over but the extra point was mandatory - but given the documented evidence of how poorly players manage their money and how relatively low-paid specialists and special teams players are (and some coaches, for that matter, especially compared to the top college equivalents), it's totally believable that something nefarious could have gone on. Especially because it didn't affect the outcome of the game, just whether they covered the spread or not.

Right, I'm not saying it for sure was either, just that I see your point and share your surprise that no one has looked into it yet.

[PJ.]

Also, why are field goal%s so much higher today than they were 20 years ago?

[PJ.]

Dude...PEDs existed in 91 and so did squats.

I'm okay with like "guys eat better,train harder so their kicks go further" but like...they aren't going THAT much further, they're just going in more. They are going straighter. In 1990(the year of wide right) 69% was good enough for 22nd in the league. 22nd in the league last year was 80%.

[PJ.]

is it really more indoor stadiums tho? I think it might actually be the opposite.

[PJ.]

definitely after halftime when the eagles are down 20

[PJ.]

I could see him competing to start in:
-Buffalo if Tyrod is out
-Arizona
-Washington (If Cousins is out)
-NY Jets
-Jacksonville
-Miami
-Cleveland
-Denver
-NY Giants (depending on what they do with Eli but even then)

If he goes to Oakland, it's strictly a backup gig or at least it should be.

New England when Brady retires after this ring

[PJ.]

Only need 2 safeties

[PJ.]

Hey guys Six Nations is starting y'all should watch a sport that's actually fun to watch

[PJ.]

It's a bunch of 2 yard dives than a punt.

[PJ.]

obnoxious pats fan here to do my duty to the great general region of New England

6 RINGS BABYYYY
#GOAT
TOUCHDOWN TOMMY'S PULLIN THROUGH AGAIN
3 IN A ROW! 3 IN A ROW!

etc

will post pics of the umass riots afterwards

3 in a row? You fucking idiot.

[PJ.]

http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/was ... hia-flyers

[PJ.]

Brady and bill retire plz.

[PJ.]

What's o/u on the number of years it takes uzi to be a giants fan after bill and Brady retire? 5? 6? I got the under. Can't trust those new York based "pats" fans.

[PJ.]

He's actually a better scrambler than you'd think. He's no Rodgers or Bortortle, but for a traditional stand still QB, he's actually a bit shifty

[PJ.]

Are you ok?

[PJ.]

ahhh, now suddenly it's "there's no evidence" (there's no evidence against Harvey Weinstein either) - I understand football very well, that's just an empty phrase for you to put out there to disregard my position

I told you why I despise him

Brett Favre is the best QB ever, btw

"You must be of great moral standing to be a great player" - said the guy who thinks the dude who sent dick pics to a

secratery

a Jets sideline reporter(who definitely did not want them) is the best of all time.

You're as pretentious as you are full of shit.

By the way, Rodgers has gone on record saying he like balls over inflated, is he a cheater and a "piece of shit" who's stats don't count?

Fuck outta here, man.

[PJ.]

It was his dick. He sexual harassed the girl in question by continually leaving sexually aggressive voice mails on her phone culminating in sending her a picture of him masterbating.

Re overinflation: NFL rule book has a range of how full of air a ball is allowed to be (something I know that you are aware of). Well ranges have two sides, the high and a low. So if you're over the top range, which Rodgers admitted to, you're cheating just as someone who's under the low range would be as Brady allegedly was.

Anyway, it seems the thread is tired of you being a crazy person, so please just stop posting. You've demonstrated yourself to be delusional to a degree of insanity and have insulted multiple people's intelligence because they do not agree with your ramblings. This is unacceptable. You've also trivialized sexual harassment. Stop while you're ahead. Thanks.

[PJ.]

The ball boy overinflating them because you tell him to is just as much cheating as the ball boy under inflating them. There's a video on youtube about how NFL footballs get prepared, the quarterback or backup qb approves them. Ironically, this video is also with Rodgers.

[PJ.]

That would be a false statement. I do not know for a fact if he acted on his preferences(nor am I an alleged mindreader), I only know what his preferences are and can infer from that - and the in-league reaction of over/under inflated balls being both a regular occurrence and that big of a deal - it is likely that he acted on those preferences.

[PJ.]

Because I have as much proof as you do, zzzzzzz.

[PJ.]

I'm a mindreader, it was a telepathic link

[PJ.]

I'm a mindreader, it was a telepathic link

omg the stupid hurts

[PJ.]

re: Ezekial Elliot :

I think it's pretty simple. There are people who are good at reading people, there are people who are great at reading people. Put me in a room with someone, let me have a 10 minute conversation with them and then I ask them 5 questions and I can more often than not tell you if they're lying. If I can't tell if they're lying or not, I can at least tell I can't tell. Then you've got lie detector tests. It could have been something as simple as Goodell going to Elliot and saying "are you willing to take a lie detector test?" and Elliot says "no" and Goodell says "okay then you're suspended" OR he could have even agreed to the test and failed. As much as people love to hate on Goodell, I think he's done a lot of great for the league and I trust him as commissioner to make good choices, not arbitrary ones.

[PJ.]

panzer, your inability to discern a joke is painful, I guess no surprise you have no capacity to read anyone beyond the words that come out of their mouth

Well, when you present something as fact, than when asked to back up your facts, you than "make a joke", it more comes off as you trying to assert that you actually believe what you are saying

[PJ.]

You call me a weinstein supporter again, we're gonna have issues.

[PJ.]

How is that discernible when you ramble like a crazy person? "Giselle bad parent", "Brady cheater", "Brett Favre didn't sexually harass someone". You're the boy who cried joke.

[PJ.]

why is Harvey someone you're willing to condemn without proof, but not other people?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 804663001/

"No proof"

You're a fucking idiot.

We're done here.

[PJ.]

I'm asking a question so I can try and understand panzer's mode of thinking about such things, because it seriously doesn't make sense to me. I'm not baiting.

they should be simple enough things to answer and address

Continuously calls a link to a list of 84 accusers "no proof" but isn't trolling and wonders why no one understands that you are joking

[PJ.]

Also I've explained it to you already, but you are being both deliberately obtuse and deliberately confrontational.

Anyway, I'm out. Zito, wrap this dude up.

[PJ.]

you have a bias

[PJ.]

you have a bias

You need to walk away from this.

[PJ.]

Are Philadelphia fans unusually awful sports fans or have I just not been paying attention to past teams celebrating their wins?

Dude...

[PJ.]

http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/was ... hia-flyers

[PJ.]

I think it's mostly shitty hockey towns

[PJ.]

And San Francisco. Cause fuck the Giants I guess. But yeah, Vancouver have had two, Montreal have had 5. Chicago has had several.

[PJ.]

http://www.newsweek.com/philadelphia-ch ... say-799421

[PJ.]

I've already told you not to harass me in private, so now I'm telling you in public. I have not responded to anything you've wrote since I've told you not to talk to me, so I'd appreciate that same courtesy. Thanks bud.

[PJ.]

Well, I buy some of the excuse from the police which is, paraphrased, it's really hard to stop a bonfire when there are 15,000 people in your way. But then again...the studies on the psychological effects of horse cops on people who live on urban developments and the sheer ability of 2 horse cops to clear like...a 15 by 15 square in like 2 seconds is a pretty good counter argument.

But yeah..while yes it is a minority(not as minor as some might claim), it's still very strange that the it is encouraged by public officials, to go completely bonkers and break stuff after a big win.

[PJ.]

More or less crazy than riots over winning the stanley cup?

[PJ.]

what about that time phildelphia dropped an actual bomb on civil rights activists and killed 11 people?

[PJ.]

i want nothing. You're good.

@aronis and shaft. just tell him to stop. Once i told him not to pm me under any circumstance he didn't do it again, so it's effective.

[PJ.]

disagree.

feel like 3-4 guys can be the guy for a while.

(mayfield, allen, darnold) fringe on rosen,l. jackson. there's probably someone im forgetting that could flesh out but yeah.

If it's okay to discuss this in full, I'm down.

Front what I've heard and what I've seen, Darnold sucks. He seems to be a "high character" guy but his mechanics and arm are iffy and he has confidence and decision-making issues. I think he's second worst guy of the top 5 at best and the fact he's thinking about staying in school makes me think that he thinks so too.

I like Lamar Jackson a lot. He got accuracy issues but big arm and big athleticism. I think he's the 2nd or third best of the top 5 guys. Heisman winner, carried a bad team on his back. He's real good.

I'm not gonna pretend I've watched a ton of Josh Allen games but he strikes me A LOT like Bortles. Looks like a QB, talks like a QB, but if he's this big can't miss prospect why was he in a run first offense for a small school? Every other QB beside Mayfield threw the ball greater than 10 times per game more than Allen did and Allen threw the ball considerably shorter per completion (notably half the distance Baker Mayfield was throwing per completion). Everything I read about the guy says he supposed to be some big dick gunslinger like Roethlisberger or Smokin' Jay Cutler but his stats say Blaine Gabbert. I could be wrong, but he looks like a trap on paper.

Baker Mayfield looks like the guy people talk about when they are talking about Josh Allen. A lot of his criticism is he's undersized with an average arm, but the guys seems to have incredibly accuracy and I've never seen him short a deep ball. He's listed at 6'2, so unless there are shananigans going on there, him being small is likely overstated (Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, and Andy Dalton are all 6'2 and Romo was as well). I think him and Jackson are 2-3 and well ahead of Allen and Darnold.

Rosen is the best. He'd have been the best last year. He'll be the best next year if he stays in school to tell the Browns fuck you. He's a can't miss prospect. Mechanics are great, arm is great. The problem with him seems to be that he's a prick and there is a concern he's not a leader. I think some of that is he's an opinionated, already rich white kid from California and he speaks his mind about shit. Pretty sure he's an outspoken anti-trump guy and he has definitely threatened to not play for the Browns even saying he'd stay in school if he thought they'd pick him. We'll see about his attitude as he grows up a bit more, but his mechanics and his talent scream franchise player. This guy should be good for a very long time if he's not secretly Ryan Leaf 2.0.

[PJ.]

i thought this was supposed to be 'the year of the quarterback' for the last two or three years now

Bro, every year is the best qb prospects of a generation and the deepest draft class in the last 5 years. Don't you know that?

In reality, it's rare to have 5 qbs receiving first round grades and that makes this by default the year of the QB but that doesn't mean all these guys are gonna be successful. The last year to even have 4 QBs drafted in the first round was 2012. 2011 had 4 as well and 2 more in the very beginning of the 2nd round.

2012 was luck, rg3, tannehill, and weeden.

2011 was newton, locker, gabbert, ponder, with Dalton and Kaep being the top of the 2nd.

[PJ.]

It is, my point is not all these guys are gonna be successful. That's what I was trying to illustrate with bringing up 2011 and 2012.

The other two times in the last 20 years that 4 QBs were drafted in the 1st round, beside 2011 and 2012, were 2003 and 2004. I'll get to 2004 later, but 2003 had Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, and Rex Grossmen. The only time 5 were drafted in the 1st in the last 20 years was 1999: it was Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, and Cade McNown. So there is always gonna be bust, probably multiple in the year of the qb. Even in 2004, which was the best 4 QB 1st round ever, the 4th guy drafted was JP Losman. So the BEST CASE SCENARIO, where 3 of these guys are 15 year starters with multiple pro bowls and 2 of those are multiple super bowl winners, one of these guys is still gonna be JP Losman.

[PJ.]

The good news is one of those guys is ALWAYS a real player. And that's gonna be Rosen.

[PJ.]

If you haven't seen Jason Kelce's speech from the parade yet, you're missing the fuck out

PHILLY WAS GIVING HIM THE "WHAT"s!!! OH MAN!!!

[PJ.]

https://youtu.be/c6e5zCFLS2U?t=101

[PJ.]

it is, but it's also a ridiculously incomplete list.

[PJ.]

I'm not sure what your point was, as you didn't state one. But 3 notable philly events are left out.

[PJ.]

Rashad Penny is gonna be a star, y'all.

[PJ.]

Also, anyone have an opinion on whether or not Josh Allen throwing 70 yard bombs actually matters?

Oh, by the way, if I hear one more motherfucker say Lamar Jackson should be a wide receiver imma karate chop 'em.

[PJ.]

Barkley at 1, trade back a little and then take Jackson would be my plan.

[PJ.]

only issue is that like...i feel like Jackson might be "needs to land in a good situation" guy..But i think a lot of these QBs are. All of them except the guy who straight said he won't play for cleveland.

[PJ.]

IDK. The browns just feel like the Sacramento Kings of the NFL, so like...nothing is gonna work. Even the most surefire thing is gonna be bad.

[PJ.]

The first choice QB doesn't want to play for the Browns tho. The first choice QB literally said he'd stay in school if he thought the Browns would pick him.

So take Barkley, let the Giants have Rosen, indy will take chubb, than at 4 you still get your QB. Any QB you want. Or just ride out Tyrod cause he's way better than you think he is.

[PJ.]

Whether the reports are false or not, do you want to risk them being not false?

[PJ.]

See...now I gotta hope his surgery was botched...and that hurts my soul wishing ill will on one of my favorite players.

[PJ.]

I think he locked him up than made fun of him

[PJ.]

Rams getting some good players recently.

yeah...since about 2014.