Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Impede]

ISOed A50. I’m the only one who obviously stood to gain from his lynch. Maybe the Assembleslot? Although he had mutual beef with Una. If I introduce WIFOM, Math has the best alibi since they were buddies and mutual TRs. Stupid N1 kill for him tho by that logic.

Pedit: Plausible.

I feel good with this PoE:
Not today: Math, Hawk
Maybe: Una, Kop
Probably: Fitz, Srceen

[Mathdino]

It's possible your view of a good NK is different from mine. I literally claimed a while ago that SK-me would kill A50 first. This expands my lynchpool and removes a strong player.

Upon review, I agree that Hawk is almost definitely not SK.

Explain reads on Kop/Screen. Ideally with reference to what's already been said today regarding them.

[Srceenplay]

Math has the best alibi since they were buddies and mutual TRs. Stupid N1 kill for him tho by that logic.

Um not stupid at all.
If you see someone actively solving the game and you declared a town read on them the most logical thing to assume is you have to NK them.

[Mathdino]

TBH the fact that I'm still alive implicates Impede more than anyone.

Going solely on that fact, leaving me alive helps, in order:
Impede: has me pocketed
Una: needs me alive to have scumreads left
Hawk
fitz
Screenplay only if he thought he could lynch me, stupid otherwise
Kop

[Impede]

Fitz talked about SK more than almost anyone. He was a little bit lynch open. Never opposed a lynch. Very lurky. Never pushed too hard. Quite amiable. He also made a point of trying to not rule out the TT setup

. Thoughts?

VOTE: fitz

[Impede]

Math has the best alibi since they were buddies and mutual TRs. Stupid N1 kill for him tho by that logic.

Um not stupid at all.
If you see someone actively solving the game and you declared a town read on them the most logical thing to assume is you have to NK them.

Fair.

I’ll put together my take on Srceen and Kop.

[Impede]

TBH the fact that I'm still alive implicates Impede more than anyone.

Going solely on that fact, leaving me alive helps, in order:
Impede: has me pocketed
Una: needs me alive to have scumreads left
Hawk
fitz
Screenplay only if he thought he could lynch me, stupid otherwise
Kop

Yeah feelsbad lol. Idk how you guys haven’t rallied to my lynch yet. I’d lynch me at this point. The only rebuttal I have is that I look too much like the SK to be the SK. But Occam’s Razor etc. Idk. Ask me stuff. I’ll justify my reads in the meantime

[Mathdino]

Don't care enough to ask you stuff lol. Any SK is just gonna say the most townreadable thing.

Another point for lynching fitz is that my awesome PR-hunting skills say he's definitely gonna claim VT, and is thus a safer wagon than anyone else.

[Impede]

Srceen literally ONLY throws shade. He’s setting up his wagon on Math tomorrow. I don’t see any reason to clear him. At all. Do you?

Sorry for the lazy cases. On my iPad. Watching Netflix. Lol. If you want me to elaborate say so, and I’ll do it tmrw.

[Mathdino]

Going after me this hard and then mislynching me tomorrow (before LyLo) is suicide for him. Regardless of his alignment. He's town I think.

[yessiree]

VC 3.2

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

havingfitz (2) [L-2] -

Mathdino, Impede

Not voting

- Srceenplay, Kop, UnabombaH, Hawk, havingfitz

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2018-02-01 17:00:00)

[UnaBombaH]

My prewritten case has no weight now that Ghost and momo flipped!

[UnaBombaH]

I just woke up, I'll work on this scenario in a while..

[Impede]

2 lynches to LYLO, need to hear from Kop, Una, Fitz. Srceen is here but I feel like idk your take on things...

[Mathdino]

UNA POST YOUR CASE ANYWAY ASAP

[Mathdino]

literally when you see this just copy paste your case with no adjustments/additions

[UnaBombaH]

OK, not even fixing any typos, and most quotes probably won't link correctly since it was made as a PM-draft.

[UnaBombaH]

I really really tried to shake any conf.bias I had, and escape all of my tunnels while rereading the game.
I found new angles on guys like Mathdino and Impede, but quoting during night-phase is hard and possibly even dangerous.. (accidental PMs avoided! )
This is a draft I saved during the night:

Angle 1:
There almost has to be scum in havingfitz,

sheepsaysmeep

, Mathdino, Impede.
These are the names on Red-wagon at the time when Creature-wagon wasn't higher than 2 votes in.
There was no actual need for a counterwagon at the time, but a good scumplayer would've positioned themselves in the highest/2nd highest wagon at this point anyway, so I feel certain Creatures buddy is there.

AS AN ADDED BONUS

, I realized that if we really are against 1+1,

IT IS EVEN POSSIBLE THAT THE SK WAS ON THAT WAGON TOO.

They wouldn't have been able to coordinate their votes, and would've both wanted to look towny D1, so not a long stretch..

With this in mind, I'd say that out of these three, Impede makes the most sense as Creatures buddy. At least more than the other two, but there can be cases made for Mathdino too. Noteworthy to say that more than just being a claimed Vig, Jay was also one of the now confirmed townies, who scumread Impede.

JAY EVEN PAIRED THE TWO AS

THE

SCUMTEAM.

And if you read this post with that in mind:

... *sigh*

I've been the target of today's Lynch since page fucking one. I've said all I can, honestly, about my innocence before I had took my nap. Whether it's by scum read or policy Lynch, half of you want me dead.

But just humor me while I'm alive, okay? If I flip Vigilante, how much do you want to be sold on the scum team being Impede/Creature?

The hell? Why would you hardclaim now. Sigh.

UNVOTE:

pedit: I think this is the only way to get content out of him. Sheep!
VOTE: Assemble

..it's easy to see scum!Impede faking the emotion here, and honestly be relieved to know they can now NK Jay without being pinned as scum for it.

Mathdinos overall play has been very pro-town, but it actually makes a lot of sense with a two-player scumteam.
I'm going to quote his progression on Creature once the day begins and I can quote properly, but AFTER HIS ONLY BUDDY HAS DIED, HE CAN ESSENTIALLY PLAY WITH AN SK-MINDSET!!
Or he's just simply the SK.

Havingfitz makes the least sense as scum to me (out of the three), but if he is scum, I'd say he's SK more likely than Mafia.

Angle 2:
Ghost played very a very towny D2, but did the slot deserve an instant townlock?
After reading Red, it seems like Red+Creature might not be too far fetched either.
If that slot isn't dead by the morning, it should DEFINITELY BE JUDGED AGAIN.
Def. not the SK, but potential scum.

Angle 3:
Subject: Open 707 - JK9++ [Night 2]

Like both of them know they are caught scum so they bus so that whoever is lynched first has been effectively distanced from the other one

I might be totally off the mark here, but this post gives the feeling that momo had inside-knowledge on the size of the scum-team..
I get that he doesn't say anything else regarding the size of the team, but I feel that the perspective is from someone who knows there's only two Mafia..
I need to make a progression-read between momo-Creature to see if there's anything else there, but this just popped in my eyes while reading.

Then there's obviously posts like this:

Also, @those who hard TR momo, I'd be careful with that. I dunno if he is really that shallow or if he scum slipped multiple times, and I pointed it out "mildly" but nobody saw it, it seems.

momo asked for the protectives to be targeting him if Jay flipped Scum. Granted the condition is unlikely to be true from where I stand, but what I'm interested in is he mentioned both he JK and the Bus Driver.

I disregarded too many of these, because I was so damn certain that A50 was scum, just looking to build narratives.
I only used posts like these as a way to try and sort the potential scumteams between A50/Dino/momo - but forgot all about them once he flipped town!

WITH THE ABOVE IN MIND, I'M NOW LOOKING FORWARD TO D3 EVEN MORE, AND I'M READY TO CONTINUE FROM HERE ONCE QUOTING IS EASIER.

[UnaBombaH]

Funnily enough, that whole post ^^ is now worth nothing, because Angle 1 focused MAINLY on the idea of having scum amongst the trio, Gamma was shot at night (angle 2) and momo was shot at night (angle 3)

I'm starting to think this might be my worst towngame yet.

[Mathdino]

Goddamn. Welcome to the townbloc. That's a relief.

k who's SK? Have you read my towncases on each player so far? Because everyone except fitz has given some kind of non-SK tell but the question is which ones matter more.

[Mathdino]

I'm starting to think this might be my worst towngame yet.

this is one fucking hundred percent accurate

literally every single one of your reads was backwards at some point

don't worry if we lynch the SK literally today you'll be redeemed

[UnaBombaH]

Srceenplay, Kop and havingfitz are the least likely suspects for me.. (so probably opposite since my reads have been reversed almost all the time..!)

Mathdino, Impede and hawk are the ones I'm going to reread and quote the most.

[Mathdino]

I don't think you're gonna convince me on Hawk.

Spend more time on Impede, and prove your townread on havingfitz.

If you read earlier in the day, I agree that Screenplay and Kop are unlikely SKs. Screenplay I'm concerned with given that OF COURSE sk is gonna leave us both alive to distract us. But yeah probably town.

[Mathdino]

Guys this game is literally solved by JK claim

JK protected someone last night (ideally me), 2 conftown
Lynch one of remaining 5
JK publicises next target
Lynch target if no kill
If JK dies, 2 conftown vs 3 unconfirmed, we have a 2/3 shot

JK should claim imo

[Srceenplay]

Agree