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[Chara]

oh, never mind. i should really read fully before posting, he already said it wasn't real as expected, quoted in the same damn post. that's embarrassing. on the bright side it was obvious what Transcend was attempting before he said so, but now my question is pointless.
Hawk's town.

pedit: oh, seems it had a point after all.

[Chara]

This was a good, but risky move on Frogger's part. It not only confirms him as town, but allows us another confirm as well on Hawk.

why do you think this? a not vanilla result doesn't say too much about Hawk's alignment if he's non goon scum, though this has been said already.
that aside, why is Frogger confirmed to you?

[James Brafin]

Well, 1) I don't expect a scum to have vanilla cop abilities 2) it allows us to confirm that either hawk is a scum power role or not 3) If frogger is lying and doesn't have vanilla cop, it's really easy for us to lynch him. Either way, we're about to get one of the two confirmed.

[Chara]

1) scum vanilla cops exist and are used to find power roles.
2) this is true, but town miller and scum power role look the same, so is it useful?
3) how do we know he's lying, keeping 1 in mind? not to mention if he

is

lying about the ability anyway, Hawk publicly claimed miller so scum Frogger could make the reasonable assumption he isn't lying and claim the result is "not vanilla".

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would we lynch Fro99er if he lied? Do you know how common it is to fake day abilities here James?

[James Brafin]

1) scum vanilla cops exist and are used to find power roles.
2) this is true, but town miller and scum power role look the same, so is it useful?
3) how do we know he's lying, keeping 1 in mind? not to mention if he

is

lying about the ability anyway, Hawk publicly claimed miller so scum Frogger could make the reasonable assumption he isn't lying and claim the result is "not vanilla".

1) I did not know that. But it seems weird that it would be a DayScumNeo.
2) Which is more likely, town miller or scum power roll (legit question, not rhetorical. That would for sure influence my decision.)
3) If he's lying, frogger is going to want to get hawk confirmed as scum, because that means town has "found" one scum and has a guaranteed lynch, or in this case mislynch. So either way we lynch hawk and get info. If hawk flips tv, we know frogger is town. if hawk flips a power role, we know frogger was lying and is probably scum.

Why would we lynch Fro99er if he lied? Do you know how common it is to fake day abilities here James?

Nope! This is only my fourth game on site, the first two of which I got vigged day 1 and the second I was forced to replace out of due to time restraints.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's very common for people to fake claim day abilities

[Locke113]

Whoops, forgot I even queued for a game. I'm going to start catching up now, so no replacement needed for me

[Chara]

1) I did not know that. But it seems weird that it would be a DayScumNeo.
2) Which is more likely, town miller or scum power roll (legit question, not rhetorical. That would for sure influence my decision.)
3) If he's lying, frogger is going to want to get hawk confirmed as scum, because that means town has "found" one scum and has a guaranteed lynch, or in this case mislynch. So either way we lynch hawk and get info. If hawk flips tv, we know frogger is town. if hawk flips a power role, we know frogger was lying and is probably scum.

1) i'm aware you didn't know. :> though he claimed vanilla cop, not neopolitan.
2) i don't believe either is more likely in the case of frogger claiming a "not vanilla" result.
3) Hawk won't flip VT now that he's claimed miller. if he's a VT and fakeclaimed miller i don't know what to say, but it isn't good, haha. you're forgetting the case where scum frogger says the correct result, and this view is rather simplistic. and you don't know the result yet, so one can't really make decisions about Frogger's alignment based on the flip of Hawk.

James could be town, this appears to be consistent inexperience rather than a faked stance, especially point 3. maybe i'm being hasty, but that's the sense i'm getting.

[TwoInAMillion]

don't say 2in10.

Call me what you wan't just don't call me late for dinner.

[Mulch]

He did that last game as scum

[James Brafin]

He did that last game as scum

Who, me? That was almost four months ago, I'm surprised that you sill remember that lol.
But to be honest, I try to play the same as both town and scum. That's what everyone does, of course, but I mean I try to use the same strategies, the same play style, etc. In fact, if you could highlight any inconsistencies you notice between scumgame and towngame as we play, thta would be great, because it would help me improve my gameplay.

[Chara]

He did that last game as scum

can you point to it? that would help me.

[Transcend]

Can't believe i have to say this but

When will you fuckers learn to not meta me

It is a bad idea

[Transcend]

Can't believe i have to say this every game but

When will you fuckers learn to not meta me

It is a bad idea

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[TwoInAMillion]

Transcend purposefully lying (possibly as town) and then asking people not to meta him seems disingenuine.

[Transcend]

Ok man

[TwoInAMillion]

You're admitting to being disingenuine?

[Transcend]

Don't bite the hand that fuckin feeds you my dude

Pedit no

[TwoInAMillion]

dogs don't have hands they have paws.

[Transcend]

Seriously the only way your drooling dumbass is gonna make it to the finish line without getting mislynched is if you trust me, so i reckon you cut it out. (:

[Hawk]

Transcend purposefully lying (possibly as town) and then asking people not to meta him seems disingenuine.

I kinda see this.

Chara and James feel bad to me... they spent about 6 posts now discussing a Wifom on weather or not they can confirm me or Frogger or both of us based off results. Particularly ignoring the facts and creating a weird Narrative.

Fact:
If Frogger reports back I am not Vanilla and at that point Wifom I am Miller or scum PR.

If Frogger is lying about being Vanilla Cop then his report back means nothing until I'm dead.

Motivation wise I don't know if Frogger is one to make gambits as scum but I don't believe he would do this as scum unless he truly believes it will "confirm" him as town. If he is scum Vanilla cop he knows the result will be Not Vanilla, will report it as not Vanilla, and we can only believe his claim on good faith that it lines up with his alignment and doesn't get checked by a real cop in the future.

Am I missing anything? If so please enlighten me. I don't see how you guys can reasonably confirm anything from Frogs results here and talking about it in the way you are feels like you're trying to push an agenda or idea forward to idk what gain yet.

Pedit: and people were mad at me for saying fuck a few times :eyeroll:

[Transcend]

If anyone gets upset by cursing, they need to not play this game.

This game brings out the worst in people.

[Hawk]

If anyone gets upset by cursing, they need to not play this game.

This game brings out the worst in people.

True facts. Trans what do you think of chara and James?

Also weather you lynch me today or not I will flip Miller so go ahead and just take that into account if you need to dissect the Frogger Vanilla Cop on me points.

[Transcend]

I'm probably about to unvote and just vig you tonight

Not sure where to go from here