Mini 1979: Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over)

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RQS:

1. Whats a good Story you have read/watched/played?
2. If you had a superpower, what would it be?
3. What is your favorite mafia PR and why?

Uh Harry potter
Invisibility
Lunchroom


Very very serious point. Y'all suck. I would have been cult in setup c.

Actually important point

sk is town this game I am psychiatrist. If you are sk you should claim.

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I got exactly one non-town option in my nine cards and I discarded it.
I would have been a commuter if we'd gone with setup A.
Being in setup B suggests a lot of people here have preferences for scum roles. I feel like revealing choices for that setup is a good idea, especially who picked scum in the first game.

VOTE: Wilky
Discarding a Mason? For shame.

Isn't cop lover objectively better?

VOTE: TheNewEarth

It says in op it would be randomised among valid setups. All three could have been fine.

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Btw I can understand someone not wanting to be a lover. It is wrong to Chuck cop though. Also there is even werewolf and mafia cards, so it's actually interesting there is no alien or cult discards.

Last time I was in a greatest idea we had a rejected setup bc too much scum and then had a super townsided setup. General theory and the way I do it is whatever I feel is the strongest role. I was mafia cop setup a, (but I also got three scum cards), setup c I was cult something idr.

[Espeonage]

vote holy spirit turtle

And I want to know why you discarded one of the strongest town power roles.

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Hadn't read it. Skipped to the longest post first.

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Espeonage, I can assume you perfer a town role, no?

No. I have very vocally said I pick whatever is the strongest chance for me to win.

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My alignment card was town nymph. It's optimised bc by throwing away scum I help myself to look town, and the other roles don't help with scum.

Like setup a I went mafia cop so I didn't have to Chuck out werewolf cop. I made a useless role so I wouldn't Inc scum.

As for the so thing. There probably isn't an sk, but if there is, it's better for both of us in winning chance if I turn them.

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Ebwop so is sk

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Also inc should be obv

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Oh yeah. I was cult bloodsucker

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In setup c, that would have been hella fun.

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Setup B is easily the most annoying setup for me personally. Literally every card I got was vanilla or worse. Why couldn't I have been a Serial Killer Mason or a Town Roleblocker?

Potential for scum here. Weak though.

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Lynching the guy that chucked seer.

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No need to defend me Diamond, in fact it's kind of weird that you did...

I have no intention of taking day 1 seriously. By all means continue though.

This is a scum post.

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So in a setup like this there is no time to be complacent. We could be staring down the barrel of a large amount of scum. There is no time to not take day one seriously.

People have also Shit all over hst, which ruined the wagon.

invite, vote:lucky

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Scum hasn't won yet, but there's nine people left. We're in trouble.

@Mod, did you mean for this Day phase to be only two days long?

Actually it could be anything from 4-2-2-1 and up.

Don't have any leads at this point.

Based on number of kills I reckon it's likely we have a cult or aliens and one scum faction.

However numbers spec will get us nowhere. I wouldn't trust it. Hopkirk could 100% have been killed multiple times.

Best course of action is to scum hunt traditionally.

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Killed is the kill flavour not what's in the write up. So y'all can get back to the game now.

Thoughts on everyone downplaying scum numbers is scum?

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I reckon my role is useless though.

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VOTE: Kokichi is a good start.

You wanted me to hammer, and now that I did you vote me? Sounds scum.

Hypocrisy is NAI.

Scum hasn't won yet, but there's nine people left. We're in trouble.

@Mod, did you mean for this Day phase to be only two days long?

This is a classic scum tell I forget which one, but p sure it's a named one.

Regardless, I don't like this. Contributes nothing but uses the assertion of town to gain town cred.

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O hey that was one of 3 assemble posts.

Vote: Assemble

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Heh.

Assemble is worth a lynch. His sig does warrant a look however, espy.

Its not about number of posts its about the content of the sparse posts.

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Shoot assemble. Not gonna be useful saves me trying to get him lynched.

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Who tf is even in this game? There's like jack shit here.

Idk if I'm starting to scum read schism bc they are trying to lead or bc theyre the only player in the game.

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Actually those are both entirely null wtf.

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No I know. I just keep going back and forth on if this is scum trying to capitalize on town apathy. Or if we just have 5 million lurkerscum.

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Talk to me about why you don't want to shoot a lurker?

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Ok experiment for everyone.

You get given the following role cards:
Vanilla Scum Faction
Town low power PR
Town Negative utility

What do you pick?

And one more.
Scum PR
Scum negative utility
Town anything not op

what do you pick?

Honesty will go well here.

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In the interest of clarity, my answers would be town low power pr, chuck scum faction and scum anything not op, chuck scum negative utility.

I mostly want to get an idea of how people pick their roles. There's a couple of throwaways that are giving me some headaches.

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I'm calling the bluff on your shot.

You have my permission to shoot this.

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VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I disagree with this vote though.

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VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I don't like this. What's you're scumread on North?
Also, I'm scum reading you for the vig shot. Kokichi may be scum, but I think that if you got 1-shot dayvig + any scum faction, you'd choose scum for alignment because that would be a little bit OP.
VOTE: Schism

This newbie too good for this shit of a town. Conclusion is slightly messy bc iirc there more scum dayvig cards than town ones. I would say it's nai

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Yo schiz, what was your card you used for alignment?

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Thought process on not throwing the Gov to get yourself townread for throwing away a strong scum power?

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i pick town for alignments and the pr in both cases. i'm really bad at being scum and haven't found it that fun in my limited experience.

So this is a complete lie?

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No I mean why not throw gov and not tourist?

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That was directed at the people calling you scum

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Scum can contribute to town.

But I wanted to highlight what good posting is. He's not in my lynch pool atm.

But at the moment I would like to get people to post more because the more posts I can dissect the better I can read people.

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I don't like the north wagon.

Vote: wisdom

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I don't like the north wagon.

Vote: wisdom

its just me and tne, might as well say you dont like us

Didnt like schisms support of it either.

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Yo wis, time to explain your so we can get in your head space.

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Ebwop: your read

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Ok, if you are looking for replication from North then you are obviously out of time. So don't be obtuse for the sake of it. I know you can engage. And the only reason for to not engage is if you are looking for a replicating tell.

So yeah explain or find another project.

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Take off the confbias glasses. Voting the competing wagon isn't omgus. Also wis isn't helping in an apathetic town when he could which is a better reason to vote than nothing.

Wis especially bc he started this blind voting Shit when he can and should do and know better.

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Capcom buddy.

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wasnt i scum at Capcom

Yes, and?

It shows you have the capacity.

Just a friendly reminder to finish. Trust tells are bad juju.

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Ok so stop being lazy. If you are town you should be trying to steer the game out of apathy.

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:/

Assemble can be town.

Apathy while losing benefits scum and that looks like effort.

I like wis for scum here for the same reasons I want to put assemble in a town pile. I like north for town or third party.

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That level wasn't forced. Literally posting anything is all he was pressured to do.

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I think you know what I mean.

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Gamma this is not the game to low post count. The apathy here is real rn

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Vla today and tomorrow.

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Wis is still the lunch here for blatant disregard of town win con. Occams then saying he doesn't have it.

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Because it pushes a scum win con. It is objectively anti town.

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There's this thing called a majority, and it's all we need.

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Actually, theory this is difficult because we're in or very close to lylo and so scum aren't bussing.

The lack of movement is generally an indication one of the prevailing wagons is on scum.

And there is one prevailing wagon. Wisdom.

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I am willing to hear reasons why there has been very little movement.

[Espeonage]

Ok, then are the people on the wagon scum or misguided? And if they/ma are misguided, what makes that so either with flaws in the reasoning or because wis is town.

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Ok what do you make of NSG's claim that they are terrible at scum, and would not pick it? Considering that they threw away a town card and therefore didn't have three scum cards?

Because that is the main reason I am reading her as either town or third party.

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Counter argument that you need to be able to avoid being lynched to play scum which would trumpany power you could get.

Also groupscum kinda doesn't have any power that would be good enough considering the threat of multiball and likelihood of no teammates. Unless they are like non mafia groupscum mason. Which I think p obviously isn't the case rn seeing as she hasn't claimed mason to save herself from the wagon.

I will admit she could be third party, but I still wouldn't lynch a claimed SK with the number of dead town rn.

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Really?

Like actually really?

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We have less than three days and there are three wagons with 2 people on them.

Time to start talking compromises.

I want Wis, I will be willing to vote tne in a pinch.

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unvote, vote: tne

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This feels like a trap. I want to no lynch.

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Are you really claiming ownership of this bullshit?

You know you could have negotiated, engaged, and maybe played the game and people would have been more receptive to you.

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I'll look over paradox, but how the fuck is NSG scum here?

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BC I fully believe they wouldn't pick scum unless required to. They are at worst third party, and we have a mafia to prioritise.

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ALso for testing purposes.

Vote: No Lynch

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She discarded a town card.

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Is that a claim buddy?

Also not true.

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60446

this was heaps of fun for me as town.

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They stated it in thread and it was not disputed by anyone.

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And I am happy to take it at face value bc there is no assurance that people will believe it if it is a lie. So no real good opportunity cost to lying.

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We could have had this discussion yesterday when I was talking about it then. But no, you decided to wait and look at this shit heap we're in now.

PEDIT: Ok, and?

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So which bit do you think is made up to make it unusual from defending any other town read?

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and im happy with you going next

I doubt there will be a going next.

Let me know how you think there has been so few kills if there is multiple groups for all the people who would pick scum 'because it's more fun in idea games'?

It's pretty confirmed there's 1 groupscum team, and by your logic we should be losing at next town lynch, or y'know have already lost.

So get off your shithouse logic.

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We could actually have alien and cult.

There's only been one night kill unclaimed iirc.

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I would have kept it unless I needed someone gone.

I don't really see another reason for a drop from 2 to 0 kills if it wasn't hop.

Like there could be a doc or bulletproof so it's just a working theory.

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Wait

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North is the only one that makes sense as alien killing hopkirk n1

I am not discounting cult which obfuscates things. I reckon we have a groupscum of 1 or 2 people with an option on cult or non killing third party.

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If there are three groupscum then game is decided by scum kill v protective. If it is bulletproof game is over while not technically over. So whatever.

If it doc chances are we still lose regardless of what we do here.

If not three groupscum then we can afford a lynch if it's two I think maths works that we should lynch regardless maybe.

If we have two groups then I prefer no lynch.

:/

Should we massclaim?

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I want a massclaim

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I already claimed town psychiatrist.

I doubt there's an sk so w/e

I popcorn to nsg.

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Oh and alignment card was nymphomaniac.

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How does plurality work if they are even at deadline?

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Ok so scum gets what they want out of the fight. Fucking A.

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Cards?

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If we get close to the nl anyone resisting is probably scum

This is probably falicious if wis is somehow idiotic town.

Bc he can force a lynch on one of his reads.

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tbf she hasn't posted since the massclaim started.

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Intent to hammer

We're gonna be forced in to a lynch and I have a growing fear that nsg is malicious 3rd party. And they are both not groupscum reads so w/e.

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Vote: NSG

I'm impatient and team mafia is starting soon.

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I was expecting so much more scum.

such is life in an idea game.

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@Sakura, were both the other setups unusable or did this just win the randomiser?

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Also can we just in general see all the picks for the other two?

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Setup A would be been cool even as it was. Would still be winnable for all players. But yeah, the rules are the rules.

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On the topic of Idea games, I feel like Grand is underrun.

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Well HST apparently just did but was waiting for end of massclaim to do it.