Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Hinduragi]

pedit: Guilty if it's not clear from the above I dont think scum really have any reason to prod at it because most people arent going to follow a push there for that reasoning seriously if they know Raybells is town. it's a town line of questioning it's just really stupid

what'd you think of 55 and 61?

I kind of agree I guess because I'd be scared in general to come after RC as scum, but I don't know Reck at all. gonna ask if Dino or kmd have Reck experience

lol

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Reck's obvtown so far but could maybe pull this in his best days as scum. Posting as much as he has in so short a time though? Nope.

[chesskid3]

LOOK I GET ITS TEAM MAFIA AND YA'LL OVERTHINKING EVERYTHING BUT CALM THE FUCK DOWN AND MAKE GOOD POSTS AND DONT BE SCUM THANKS PEOPLE

[Katyusha]

I think that we potentially want to give hider to the third scummiest player to check the second scummiest player and lynch the scummiest.
That way we know who the result is on no matter what without risking someone dying.

this requires collective town agreement on 2 subjective reads vs 1 fairly easily agreed upon read

maybe i'm thinking about it like a cop and thats a bad idea but i dont see the issue in the hider dying? it's either forcing scum to no kill (which is good for town) , forcing them to bus (which is good for town), getting us a clear (which is good for town), or force the scumkill onto someone (which isnt that great but if we pick the right person to clear and scum decide to night kill them that's probably better than the neutral case)

pedit: i guess thinking about it more i'm probably putting too much of a positive towards the no-kill framing scenario especially if we're coming out of a D1 ml - i dont mind discussing this more then

pedit: theyre shitty posts guilty but i'd expect them to come from reck from the impression i have of him here

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that Reckoner as scum would see himself as a superior player than me and make this play. Nothing he's said has indicated he has any personal respect for my play and he wouldn't have had time to be briefed by Cheetory or anyone if they just weren't around. I also think it's possible that Hiplop told him to try to lynch me at all costs

But I don't think that this is a natural opener from him

[chesskid3]

Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.

If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.

Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.

HI CAN YOU JUST FUCKING ANSWER THE QUESTION THANKS

CABD WAS IN MY GAME HOW HAVE I NOT ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION?

CAN YOU LINK ME TO A SOURCE SHOWING YOU HATE CABD OR CABD HATES YOU OR YOU FUCKED FFERY OR IDEK MAN

[RadiantCowbells]

pedit: Guilty if it's not clear from the above I dont think scum really have any reason to prod at it because most people arent going to follow a push there for that reasoning seriously if they know Raybells is town. it's a town line of questioning it's just really stupid

what'd you think of 55 and 61?

I kind of agree I guess because I'd be scared in general to come after RC as scum, but I don't know Reck at all. gonna ask if Dino or kmd have Reck experience

lol

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Reck's obvtown so far but could maybe pull this in his best days as scum. Posting as much as he has in so short a time though? Nope.

Nothing that reckoner has done here is at all difficult to pull off as scum.

[Hinduragi]

Also, RC isn't scary to Reck. That's not the part that makes it obvious. It's making him react like that and the "gotcha" and trying to see about his alignment that's telling. Noone's scared of RC.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Guilty Lion

Just moving off RC and GL is scary af scum.

THIS IS A BAD POST

YOUR CAPS ARE WORSE. IS THIS A WHOLE GAME THING?

[chesskid3]

I think that we potentially want to give hider to the third scummiest player to check the second scummiest player and lynch the scummiest.
That way we know who the result is on no matter what without risking someone dying.

this requires collective town agreement on 2 subjective reads vs 1 fairly easily agreed upon read

maybe i'm thinking about it like a cop and thats a bad idea but i dont see the issue in the hider dying? it's either forcing scum to no kill (which is good for town) , forcing them to bus (which is good for town), getting us a clear (which is good for town), or force the scumkill onto someone (which isnt that great but if we pick the right person to clear and scum decide to night kill them that's probably better than the neutral case)

pedit: i guess thinking about it more i'm probably putting too much of a positive towards the no-kill framing scenario especially if we're coming out of a D1 ml - i dont mind discussing this more then

pedit: theyre shitty posts guilty but i'd expect them to come from reck from the impression i have of him here

folks folks calm down

we give hider to chesskid so

1) he doesn't die n1
2) he moves a 90% townread into a 100% townread

[chesskid3]

VOTE: Guilty Lion

Just moving off RC and GL is scary af scum.

THIS IS A BAD POST

YOUR CAPS ARE WORSE. IS THIS A WHOLE GAME THING?

IT'S LEFT SHIFT

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, RC isn't scary to Reck. That's not the part that makes it obvious. It's making him react like that and the "gotcha" and trying to see about his alignment that's telling. Noone's scared of RC.

I have seen very little evidence that he's trying to sort my alignment and a lot of evidence that he's trying to build up to a noisy confrontation.

What has he done that's actually helped to sort me in any way besides to query me on the Cabd situation?

[Katyusha]

Your group includes 2 people who should know that answer and your group should care enough about my alignment to have already brought it up.

If the question hasn't come up in discord: I refuse to play with Cabd.
Furthermore I made it clear before the games started which game I was playing in to avoid him joining my game, but he still chose to follow me into my game.
I complained to the mods, they wouldn't do anything, so I swapped out. To this game in particular because Firebringer was already complaining about Mastina being in the game.

Okay, if it just came up five minutes ago then that's something.

HI CAN YOU JUST FUCKING ANSWER THE QUESTION THANKS

he answered the question?

pedit: they had an argument because in a game that p_a modded where raybells was scum - he believes that cabd was told the scumteam

I think that we potentially want to give hider to the third scummiest player to check the second scummiest player and lynch the scummiest.
That way we know who the result is on no matter what without risking someone dying.

this requires collective town agreement on 2 subjective reads vs 1 fairly easily agreed upon read

maybe i'm thinking about it like a cop and thats a bad idea but i dont see the issue in the hider dying? it's either forcing scum to no kill (which is good for town) , forcing them to bus (which is good for town), getting us a clear (which is good for town), or force the scumkill onto someone (which isnt that great but if we pick the right person to clear and scum decide to night kill them that's probably better than the neutral case)

pedit: i guess thinking about it more i'm probably putting too much of a positive towards the no-kill framing scenario especially if we're coming out of a D1 ml - i dont mind discussing this more then

pedit: theyre shitty posts guilty but i'd expect them to come from reck from the impression i have of him here

folks folks calm down

we give hider to chesskid so

1) he doesn't die n1
2) he moves a 90% townread into a 100% townread

neither of these are good reasons

[chesskid3]

neither of these are good reasons

o its on now

[Aneninen]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Look, who's back!
Aren't you happy? Aren't you all happy? ^_^

Is this a pure RVS vote or are you of the "RC is conf scum due to swap" opinion?

Pure RVS.
RadiantCowbells seems to remember me as well, and that's the explanation behind the pigeon he posted.

[chesskid3]

pedit: they had an argument because in a game that p_a modded where raybells was scum - he believes that cabd was told the scumteam

o i heard about this

BOARD GAME UPICK FT. ACTIONDAN

[Hinduragi]

Nothing that reckoner has done here is at all difficult to pull off as scum.

Youre right I'm probably being played but Im gonna hold out hope and I think he's more town than scum with his opening. If Reck's scum, he's going to die, no worries.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Reckonerx

I'm not dealing with this shit. I went out of my way to restrict the games I could join so I wouldn't get typecast as a player who would try to pick scum.

dat mad AtE overreaction tho

bullshit and based on even what little he claims to know he should know that

oh honey i was fiending for you to get all cocky and come @ me early

please keep em coming

im headed to bed

pure grandstanding

ill also add someone playing AtE as meta doesn't mean they can't use it to hide as scum because i fucking wrote the book on that 8 years ago

okay bye

Pure grandstanding

What's so locktown about Reckoner from the opening? Because I think querying the switch is a fairly obvious opener for scum

[Katyusha]

Hind, what about Reck's push makes you think he's trying to put RC in a "gotcha" position for the sake of reading him rather than just scumreading him?

neither of these are good reasons

o its on now

[chesskid3]

Pure RVS.

please state for the record a single opinion you have about someone's alignment in this game because there is much content so far

[Hinduragi]

Also, RC isn't scary to Reck. That's not the part that makes it obvious. It's making him react like that and the "gotcha" and trying to see about his alignment that's telling. Noone's scared of RC.

I have seen very little evidence that he's trying to sort my alignment and a lot of evidence that he's trying to build up to a noisy confrontation.

What has he done that's actually helped to sort me in any way besides to query me on the Cabd situation?

Tbh he was just asking, not voting, and now you're supermad because of stuff you probably already knew was going to happen so you've gotten yourself riled up. Also, I'm just saying, townReck will be more obvious to look out for than scumReck, I think.

@above: cause Ive played with him a lot

[RadiantCowbells]

Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?

[Hinduragi]

Anyways I really dont want to defend him when it's like page 4 so you can keep on but I wanted to share some history since someone was asking who's familiar with Reck. I've probably got the most familiarity with him unless he's played a lot in the past few years.

[Hinduragi]

Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?

Yeah. Likely? Ehhh, not really.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hindu, do you think it's possible that Reckoner is pushing on me because he wanted to pick a huge noisy fight and get written off as town for it?

Yeah. Likely? Ehhh, not really.

Why not?

The progression on me feels like he wanted to push on me a lot more than it feels natural.

[Katyusha]

cause Ive played with him a lot

OK but if this is coming from experience with him then there should be something in his posting indicating as much - I don't think anyone's a mindreader.

If it's just something he frequently does and you've made that assumption, can you show me like a town game where he does that? Would like to compare the general feeling of his push there.