Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[xRECKONERx]

Yikes that reck readlist

uhm

how does having experience with you make hindu town? I can understand not wanting to D1 him but you put him down as a town candidate which implies you have a substantial reason to tr him

Mastina has posted actual things besides her typical opening? No thoughts on those?

your take on me is also pretty awful, i’m not middle of the road right now and I have no idea how you get “scum theatre” from Mastina and me barely interacting? Besides Mastina what interactions are you looking for to lynch me? Like I can’t even process what your intentions are here honestly I feel like you don’t even have a reason to put me in your scumpool


on the bright side tho creature is

town

pedit: creature you think rc is scummy?

1. Hindu's reads make sense to me and also having played with me before I don't think Hindu!scum goes out of his way to defend me instead of letting me be an easy lynch because he'd rather me be dead if he was scum. The caveat there is my blind spot is notoriously bad where I ignore people who call me town so I'm trying to be aware of that a bit.

2. I mean, mastina voted me blankly and hasn't returned to address it unless I've missed it somewhere. Until that is explained further, the read stays.

3. You are definitely middle of the road to me. You're null and I have no clue how to read you at this point and I think you have enough interactions with other people (moreso than many other players in the game) that a flip or two will make it easier for me to read you.

[Something_Smart]

Okay but like building wagons usually gets reactions out of other people as well and if you’re townreads are voting there Anienen technically has an increased chance of being scum and you think the wagon is town motivated so??

Do you think guilty or me are scummy

Pedit: lmfao

The wagon being town motivated does not make it more likely on scum. It certainly doesn't make it SIGNIFICANTLY more likely on scum. Like I said, signal:noise ratio is still too low.

And I think you and GL both tip more toward scum than toward town, but only slightly.

[xRECKONERx]

Shea (& partially Keely) have taken a stab at some stuff this game, and they did it blindly without reading my reads first:

Where we mostly agree:

- Aneninen scum read
- RC town read (though keely is null instead of town)
- S_S scum read
- Strong Primate town read
- mastina scum read
- chesskid town read
- Creature town read
- Cheeky scum read

Where we disagree:

- I read Creature as null, Keely has a hard town read on him
- I read Hindu as town, Keely/Shea read as null
- I read Katyusha as null, both Keely/Shea have strong scum reads on Kat

[Something_Smart]

Do your teammates scumread my playstyle too?

[Katyusha]

1. Do you think it’d be obvious if a scum!Hindu misread you? Usually in games with close friends where I roll scum I pay extra attention to how I’m reading them because there’s generally some sort of expectation they’d have of my ability to read them

2. What precludes Mastina from just being wrong then?

3. I would think having this many interactions with slots so early in the game shows that I’m scumhunting and trying to sort people? Is there something that seems fake to you about the way I’m going about things?

pedit: @reck

Tbh i’d trust your partners on creature and Hindu lol

Can you ask cheet/keely why he scumreads me? He played with me in spring fever so like he should know this is my town game lol

[Something_Smart]

Is your scumgame so bad that your towngame can be apparent by page 12?

[Katyusha]

Do your teammates scumread my playstyle too?

Haven’t asked yet

And the math checks out: if there’s a 3/14 chance of someone randomly being scum from your POV then 2 correct townreads pushing on that turns that into a 3/12 chance - those are significantly better odds this early on

Talk to me more about your guilty scumread?

pedit: I don’t roll scum that often so honestly idk but I never have won a game as scum on this site iirc besides suav which doesn’t count

[xRECKONERx]

Moving my reads list around a slight bit:

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[Katyusha]

fwiw trans thinks cheeky is obvscum but from our last game she obvtowns hard later on if she’s town

[Creature]

I already townread Katyusha before the game even started.

[Creature]

Not sure on the heeky scum part, mr. Oner.

[Creature]

*cheeky

[Creature]

Other than that your reads feel agreeable.

[Something_Smart]

Do your teammates scumread my playstyle too?

Haven’t asked yet

And the math checks out: if there’s a 3/14 chance of someone randomly being scum from your POV then 2 correct townreads pushing on that turns that into a 3/12 chance - those are significantly better odds this early on

Talk to me more about your guilty scumread?

pedit: I don’t roll scum that often so honestly idk but I never have won a game as scum on this site iirc besides suav which doesn’t count

That question wasn't at you, though if you want you can ask Eddie and Transcend about my playstyle since they've seen it at least a few times. It was at Reck since the reasons he gave for scumreading me are pretty much entirely how I operate as a person and not alignment indicative, and I wondered if his teammates' reasons were similar (because none of them have played with me much either).

And with GL it's not a scumread it's the slightest of scumleans and it's gut off of 155, like I said it was a leading question that may or may not have been on purpose.

[Something_Smart]

Also your math works equally well for pushing anybody who's not one of said 2 townreads.

[Creature]

I'll be back after school ends.

but doesn't school take a year long to end?

[Katyusha]

Trans thought 267 was town but I need more before I’m positive

I’m also still not really seeing how guilty’s question is leading?

pedit: that’s true but you at least know it’s being pushed by town which makes it the better play than a purely random vote

[Creature]

chesskid, Cheeky and me. Okay then

[Creature]

Though, Cheeky feels like the place scum would most likely whiteknight.

[xRECKONERx]

1. Do you think it’d be obvious if a scum!Hindu misread you? Usually in games with close friends where I roll scum I pay extra attention to how I’m reading them because there’s generally some sort of expectation they’d have of my ability to read them

2. What precludes Mastina from just being wrong then?

3. I would think having this many interactions with slots so early in the game shows that I’m scumhunting and trying to sort people? Is there something that seems fake to you about the way I’m going about things?

pedit: @reck

Tbh i’d trust your partners on creature and Hindu lol

Can you ask cheet/keely why he scumreads me? He played with me in spring fever so like he should know this is my town game lol

1. Why would scum!Hindu be misreading me? He would know my alignment. I don't think there was an expectation of me to say "Hey, I'm town, why aren't you reading me that way, Hindu?" It was just a really bold play from Hindu as scum but makes total sense for Hindu as town and right now I'd prefer to Occam's Razor and say he's town than say "Hindu's doing this weird uncharacteristically big play as scum".

2. She could be wrong, sure. But what makes it gross is that there was already a burgeoning wagon on me when she placed the vote which makes it opportunistic as hell, especially considering the reasoning is implied to be "I don't like this RVS vote".

3. Nothing seems fake or not fake. You're null. You're middle of the road right now. I don't know why you're getting so defensive. I'm not saying you're the most likely scum here, I'm saying you're not exactly at the top of either list (though my teammates disagree). Keely was reminded of the last time he played with you and said your poking here feels equally forced as it did last time.

My partners can't read Hindu and don't know him at all which is why it's null for them. You seem to be pushing hard on Hindu here, or at least trying to get me to be open to voting him. Is he your top scumread?

EDITED readslist based on partner comments

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[Katyusha]

Have you played with SS before Creature?

I’m not good at reading people who aren’t pushing anything but if you have insight that be cool

[Something_Smart]

Trans thought 267 was town but I need more before I’m positive

I’m also still not really seeing how guilty’s question is leading?

pedit: that’s true but you at least know it’s being pushed by town which makes it the better play than a purely random vote

Not necessarily... because early game scumreads are very often low-quality (especially in a 3:12 game) and because scum like to distance whenever they think they can get away with it.

Perhaps, all things considered, it's slightly better than a random vote. But not enough better to warrant a vote.

[Creature]

Have you played with SS before Creature?

I’m not good at reading people who aren’t pushing anything but if you have insight that be cool

Yes, I have played with SS before and even hydra'd with him. Still not confident enough to call a townread on him.

[Creature]

At first glance Srceen seems town.

[beeboy]

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