Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Creature]

Personally I don't like him listing me as just null-town.

[Something_Smart]

Does he have as much experience with you as most of these people?

[Something_Smart]

Because I don't see what's wrong with it. It's very easy to call you obvtown as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

20 minutes are up but I have some work to get done after this so I'm just adding one post.

Mulch scumreads RC and townreads chesskid btw.

Remind Mulch about his record reading me and what that means for my probable alignment in this game. I'll wait.
If he says anything about having at all a good record reading me I can show you his history in games with me.

I see it but I also see it as different.
Basically tone telling.
Chess feels more carefree
But when you do it it feels more authoritative.
It’s hard to explain.

Tone doesn't matter, the end result does.
Read Vonflare's game, I was much less authoritative there and a lot more gentle for most of the game but I was still scum controlling the game.

With regards to the mastina wagon: If I let Chesskid dominate the town he gets more and more entrenchted and it gets harder and harder to get people to lynch him. It's why I never lose to new town replacing into scum games, even if they get the read right because they weren't around they just don't have the power. If I don't pick the fight while I can I don't win it. There's a reason I'm being ridiculously aggressive about it and that's because it won't be taken seriously o/w.
I don't want to expedite the pace of the game but I feel required to because otherwise it becomes impossible to convince people chesskid is scum.

I'd like for you to catch up and finish your reads on people, please. Also, you chastise chesskid for being arrogant and trying to steamroll the town, but RC is doing the exact same thing. Where do you draw the line?

I did what I have to because town is in a shitty situation. Chesskid tried to control town from the get go, which is exactly what I would have done if I were scum here and I was waiting for that play from scum. I would not be required to do what I am doing if scum wasn't basically dictating the game.

Also like to point out that I sincerely disbelieve BYF is scum if only because of his vote onto Chesskid.

[Srceenplay]

Well, there are still like 20 minutes of pro-towness to make use of.

What does everyone think about electing a scum/scum read to hide behind a scum/null read?
I think it’s to dangerous to have a town read in the mix. I would rather risk someone unsorted or hard to sort.

[chesskid3]

Like in all honesty im not voting mastina now because all the threat of a wagon is gone because RC has killed it

There's no information to even get from voting tbh except to satisfy ck's childishness of wanting more votes. There's no pressure there anymore because the wagon has been beaten to death. This is why I didn't want to defend Reck's wagon. When you argue against pressure on someone without letting them respond to it, you're not doing town favors. You need to let the pressure build and at least a response or two be formulated before you argue against it

This is untrue, please vote Mastina and watch the magic happen thanks.

[chesskid3]

Like on a scale from Clemency to Awoo, how sure are you Chesskid is scum?

This is the wrong question

The correct questions are:
1) How sure is chesskid Mastina is scum
2) How often does chesskid get a read his is THIS confident on to scream for a lynch from a wagon of ONE
3) Has he ever done this before as scum/does he really think this would go over well for long term survival/is Mastina of all people a threat worth compromising his position that much for

I'm also going to quote this as I feel this is a very important post and I don't want it getting lost in the shuffle.

Reck made some good posts earlier too.

[Hinduragi]

Why do I always get the worst pagetops lmao

LOL! Poor dude.

Cheeky please unvote. I'm getting to this game tonight.

I'm voting mastina but FoS you for now.



Also if Chesskid gets the invention are we leashing him? Can he at least agree to hide behind a scumread? I suck at game mechanics but if people could give their opinion on who the hider should hide behind we could probably get more reads on others too from their suggestions.

EITHER VOTE CHESSKID OR GIVE ME THE HIDER. I WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE WHO DOES NEITHER IS SYSTEMATICALLY LYNCHED AS SOON AS CHESSKID IS GONE.

I was waiting for the real you to come out. Time to change gears, let's crush this.

VOTE: Chesskid xx

Also my team would like me to have the invention so I can hide behind someone with high scum equity (as agreed by the consensus) and because any reads on me should not be affected by today's lynch. I'll happily sacrifice myself as I believe there are stronger town players here to carry the win.

elect: CheekyTeeky

I don't feel good about either of these. Doesn't feel genuine at all. Also, not sure where it went from trusting ck and voting mastina to voting him in a few pages.

Vote: Cheeky

[Something_Smart]

I think 618 is town.

[Creature]

Well, there are still like 20 minutes of pro-towness to make use of.

What does everyone think about electing a scum/scum read to hide behind a scum/null read?
I think it’s to dangerous to have a town read in the mix. I would rather risk someone unsorted or hard to sort.

What if a real scum claims to have hid behind a scumbuddy?

[chesskid3]

Like that's not a bad vote but you're letting yourself get diverted. Like you dislike the Cheeky posts around the Mastina/RC/CK stuff

but don't let that distract you from the core of You don't like Mastina.

Let's confirm the Mastina is scum flip, get a hider result and a NK and then reevaluate that when the entire town has to be on the same page re: Mastina was scum.

[chesskid3]

^ this is at hindu

[Creature]

I think 618 is town.

Already noticed Cheeky was town long ago, but whatever.

[Srceenplay]

Well, there are still like 20 minutes of pro-towness to make use of.

What does everyone think about electing a scum/scum read to hide behind a scum/null read?
I think it’s to dangerous to have a town read in the mix. I would rather risk someone unsorted or hard to sort.

What if a real scum claims to have hid behind a scumbuddy?

Self revolves eventually

[Something_Smart]

How?

[Something_Smart]

At Srceen btw. If it's not clear who I'm responding to then it's always the previous post.

[Katyusha]

im doing a hard reset after reading the last few pages

initially i agreed with eddie that rc/goguy5 was tvt but considering he wound up with a scumpool of hindu/reck/anen/mastina (his only reason being that she hasnt done anything he can townread and he expects her to at this stage) and im lacking in scumreads (i'm starting to townread reck and anen and dont really have a read on mastina) it's clear im missing the bigger picture and need to take a step back

[chesskid3]

(i'm starting to townread reck and anen and dont really have a read on mastina)

look at the reck wagon when it was 3

then look at the mastina wagon comp

then vote mastina

[RadiantCowbells]

Kat, I ask you the same question: does chesskid not, ignoring tonal differences but focusing on how he conducts himself, seem like he could be me playing as scum?

[Hinduragi]

I think 618 is town.

It was never going to happen. Agree to disagree here but that stuff is just too easy to fake

[xRECKONERx]

I think 618 is town.

Why?

[Creature]

Vote: Cheeky

[Katyusha]

Kat, I ask you the same question: does chesskid not, ignoring tonal differences but focusing on how he conducts himself, seem like he could be me playing as scum?

Yes but he's also an entirely different person?

like i think byf said he was doing more ego flinging and jerking than you and i completely agree there but i dont think thats alignment indicative

pedit: same creature

[Something_Smart]

I think 618 is town.

Why?

Because it's a good damn idea.

[Hinduragi]

Remember that part where I said let pressure build before you call stuff out? Yeah, this is that time.