Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Mathdino]

KMD kept reading:
- skirt's 52 is townish off of meta from Boon's game. KMD doesn't like skirt's reaction to pressure though. Is really undecided on skirt vs LLD.
- skirt-scum is indicative of Elena-scum (lol pre-flip associatives but good note for later)
- he lol'd at Smoke confusing me with Mathblade somehow given that we're completely different
- A few thoughts redacted due to rules or negative utility of revealing them.
- He believes Dunk saying that his teammates wouldn't give him scum

It sure sounds like skirt is a good lynch on the horizon. Highhh info.

My town (in the order of me being able to remember names):
Dunker: meta, gut, doesn't seem like a damn liar
Keychain: meta, KMD-backed read
Smocaine: meta, fucked up who i even am (if he's scum, his scumteam is weak)
Radja: meta, early-game responses to questions
Whichever one of skirt/LLD isn't scum: they're not scum together

Town leans
Bulbazak: responded super well to questions, his team appears to be making an effort to sort
CDB: meta, twisty confused but ultimately good logic that seems unlikely to come from scum

Need sorting to solidify reads:
UCV
A50
Elena
T-Bone
Aeronaut
Bins

@skirt:

Need to know why you think LLD is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My teammates hardclaim

Haven't Kept Up With The Game

. Until now! (well they've read like a few pages but it's k)

Have some shit to discuss.

NSG thinks that Bins's entrance was weird, and the amount of agreement she has with my logic is indicative of attempted pocketing. I have no meta of Bins suggesting she usually opens like that as either alignment, so I need eyes on this.

KMD thinks that:
- Elena's initial question was weird, but is willing to give a pass (I don't see the problem with it)
- Keychain is locktown due to how she answered Elena somewhere
- The fact that Radja told me and skirt "Hey guys I totally could take scum!" is majorly townish.
- He's townleaning skirt.

@skirt:

KMD wants to know exactly why you gave me a townread as early as you did.
- He thinks LLD's scumstrat would be to drive a wedge between me and skirt by pocketing me and tunneling him due to intimidation of a possible townbloc.
- He thinks there's one scum in {skirt, LLD}. He had an issue with how both of them so strongly locktowned me and then started getting in tons of 1 on 1 conversations with me (basically trying to pocket me). He doesn't however think LLD would ever open like that against a scumbuddy skirt.

I'm actually inclined to agree with one scum in skirt/LLD.

The reason I'm not voting them is because
A. I want to push other possible avenues so the day doesn't stagnate into "my way or the high way"
B. Since I do think at least one of them is town for sure, the negative utility of lynching skirt-town and LLD-town is pretty high. It's a risk and people are in a lot of disagreement over the two of them.
C. If we have any investigatives, they can and likely will check one of the two. Done.

oh shit i just refreshed and he has more thoughts hang on

Am I supposed to know who you are Skirtskirt are?

Actually, let me rephrase, am I supposed to care?

Because this concept that I would split you two apart to avoid a "townbloc" and pocket one of you and tunnel the other is... ??? considering it would require so many steps of pre-emptive thought that I can't have.

[Dunkerdoodles]

hello i have come to 180 my eddie read again, he's town

VOTE: almost50

[Elena Fisher]

@mod v/la for 2 days it's my birthday break!

[Smocaine]

v/la homeless

[Keychain]

Happy birthday Elena! Hope you're okay Smocaine.


I got some extra eyes.

Zach says that Elena is playing really affably, like she's on tiptoes and thinks it's a scumtell so that reassures me on that vote.
He's also leaning scum on Bins, first post in particular and thinks that while 122 is her best post, it also doesn't say a whole lot. On the other hand RC thinks she's town, I'm leaning that way too.

Spoiler: @Bins

Zach also says to remember that time he and Transcend wrecked you in Paint and another thing I can't really paraphrase but was very Zach.

Also I'm hearing about LLD being scum.

- Keychain is locktown due to how she answered Elena somewhere

what

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB: Can you give me more about your Key scumread? I thought his entrance felt off, but with everything else that's happened in this thread, he still feels like a big pile of blah to me. I'm wondering if you saw something that I missed yet gut picked up on.

Two instances of asking questions or making points that are entirely vapid, looking to me more like scum busywork than genuine scumhunting. The relevant posts are quoted in my iso (I’d find them now but I’m on mobile.)

[Bulbazak]

It seems LLD already got to this, but still:

- He thinks LLD's scumstrat would be to drive a wedge between me and skirt by pocketing me and tunneling him due to intimidation of a possible townbloc.

Is there a reason KMD thinks LLD would be intimidated by Skirt? I could see you, but Skirt suggests a level of town play I'm just not seeing.

[ChannelDelibird]

Radja, talk to me about why you’re not voting for A50 right now.

[ChannelDelibird]

I’m gonna need people to call that guy ‘Almost’, actually, lest I think people are referring to Article 50 and develop an unfairly biased scumread on him as if he were Nigel Farage.

[Almost50]

@mod v/la for 2 days it's my birthday break!

v/la homeless

v/la next 3 minutes

Going to the bathroom!

[Almost50]

@Dino: Tell KMD I'm extremely offended he didn't put me in his proposed Cop checks. I have thus joined the Dark Forces now, and shall be known as "Ex-Jedi-Knight-turned-into-Darth-Lord-something-or-another" for the rest of the game.

[Almost50]

@CDB: I prefer Nigel Thornberry (not really). Thank you very much. Or maybe Nigel Clough?

[Bulbazak]

Almost, I don't know why you felt you needed to fluff up this teddy bear thread, but I'm no longer amused.

[Mathdino]

I don't see why throwing suspicion on 2 players working together takes that much of a leap. It's literally something I'd do as scum. I'm not sure KMD is arguing all that much more than that. Down the line if/when he catches up to this point I'll see what he thinks. This doesn't depend on some kind of self-importance for me/skirt, it's just coming into the game and being like "huh those 2 players are doing a lot".

Annoyed at myself for missing the potential Binscum. And also annoyed in that it's gonna suck if we mislynch her today because if she's town she's gonna be pretty high utility later. Will get more thoughts when GuiltyLion actually gets online for once

CDB, I think you should trust the Keychain townread for now, given that almost everyone is agreed on her meta, her preferences, and her entrance into this game.

Sell me on A50, I could use a non-shitty wagon.
inb4 lynching A50 makes him go ham on every other game

[Bulbazak]

I don't see why throwing suspicion on 2 players working together takes that much of a leap. It's literally something I'd do as scum. I'm not sure KMD is arguing all that much more than that. Down the line if/when he catches up to this point I'll see what he thinks. This doesn't depend on some kind of self-importance for me/skirt, it's just coming into the game and being like "huh those 2 players are doing a lot".

Generally, your opinion of the players has a lot to do with how you prioritize them as scum. For instance, if I was scum, I couldn't care less about Skirt in that situation, given that I have zero experience with him and don't have a high regard of his play just given what I've seen. So the accusation of "He was trying to drive a wedge between these 2 pro-town forces." would be wildly inaccurate given my evaluation of Skirt as a player. Now, take that example and put LLD in the same place. If she doesn't hold Skirt in any sort of regard, why would she even care about putting a wedge between you two?

[Bins]

Zach also says to remember that time he and Transcend wrecked you in Paint and another thing I can't really paraphrase but was very Zach.

Rude.

@Math - I don’t know who NSG is?

More thoughts lata.

[Bins]

VOTE: T-Bone

Sort sort.

[Bulbazak]

NSG is Northsidegal.

[Bins]

Yeah, recognize the name but not familiar with her at all and I wouldn’t expect her to know who I am either.

[Bulbazak]

I just know her from just catching up on the White Flag game.

[Mathdino]

Got it Bulba, that makes sense. I think you have a higher expectation of my meta knowledge than is reality; I only did surface-level investigating and fundamentally I don't know how many of the players here WOULD act.

That said

, active players often end up controlling the narrative. And given that skirt and I were heavily going into the meta territory, LLD is clearly the most obvious suspect that would come out of that discussion. Even if she doesn't generally respect skirt (or me).
I think my teammates are generally wary of me being pocketed (and apparently so are some players here O_O) -- 3 accusations so far

NSG is better in the meta department than I am given that my understanding is that she's read almost every game in the past 5-6 months. I'm fairly sure she followed Bins and my game. Her input on Discord is mostly that of "don't underestimate this player as scum; I've seen them capable of a lot".

[Bins]

:O

[skirt skirt]

btw I'm reading (middle finger emoji bulbazak) I'll answer outstanding stuff etc later or tomorrow busy af today

[Bins]

Also, I was NK'd in Paint Mafia by the other scumteam. I don't think Zach rolled me.

T-Bone - pretty solid chance he'd pick scum and I really don't have a good read here.
skirt skirt - from play alone, I'm townreading him. From the perspective of what he said regards to picks, I still feel icky.
Lady Lambdadelta - I don't know.
Keychain - leaning town more.
Aeronaut - ??
ChannelDelibird - leaning town.
Bins - I have this opinion of myself that I'm super easily mislynched and lynched now. I think it's super easy to find me saying this in a game.
Dunkerdoodles - null, but seems OK.
Bulbazak - I'm sure he could be fooling me but no issues with his posting so far.
Smocaine - hope ur situations works out dood; no read though.
Mathdino - strongest town read?
Radja - sort of the same as bulba, no big read but no issue from his posting.
Elena Fisher - maria scares me
UC Voyager - i really dont think uc picks scum
Almost50 - a50 scares me

that's the summary