In post 546, RadiantCowbells wrote:Most of what I am going to be doing is bringing comparisons to my own scumplay because I see so much of my own scum strategems in terms of how they're establishing control over town, how they're establishing teams with other people, how they're trying to establish an ingroup and systematically get rid of the people who oppose him
yes town do try to dominate games and I know that myself but this isn't how town try to dominate the game, chesskid trying to be the obvtown and lead town isn't the problem it's how they're pushing on certain people, it's how they're trying to divide town and go after the people that are a threat to them early
Okay like.
I wouldn't even need more than this part of the post to say.
This is EXACTLY what I was fucking talking about in chesskid, from the getgo. This is what I was seeing. This is what I was meaning. RC said it more coherently than I did, said it in a more sensible way, but this was what I was seeing with chesskid.
chesskid's posting isn't posting done to lynch scum.
chesskid's posting is posting done to establish dominance.
When a town player tries to establish dominance, it is a means to an end--the goal is to lynch scum with it.
When a scum player tries to establish dominance, the dominance IS the ends--the goal is to establish it and then maintain it throughout the game.
chesskid's posting is setting roots in for the long-game. chesskid's posting is not the short-term bullheadedness of a town player. Town players, by and large, don't think long-term. They don't think to the endgame on D1. They don't try to establish roots, because they don't know what will happen in the game, by and large. They will push things, yes. They will try to form townblocs, yes. They will try to push their agenda, yes. They will potentially even vie for dominance, yes. All of this is true.
But chesskid's approach is entirely different. He is setting up the long game. He is giving himself outs at every opportunity, including avoiding anything resembling a proper case against me. He is avoiding committing to it, while still pushing it through. He is trying to have his cake while eating it, too. When I said that chesskid's approach this game was just scum.
This is what I meant.
I think that either Chesskid is scum with Reck or is trying to pocket him and establish a 'townblock' around him and is trying to lynch the people that don't support the townblock. And this probably sounds to a lot of people like it's insanely reachy and no one would plan this play but no: read vonflare's game where I cozied up to Bins and TTH and systematically lynched the game around them while they made me unlynchable. The stance of this game seems to be that I am a low threat player from a bad era who can't hold a candle to any of you so if that's true then Chesskid is certainly capable of doing the same and frankly if you think that scum went into any of the team mafia games without a plan to win then you're frankly dumb.
chesskid's posting has a plan. The plan is apparent from the onset. From the get-go, it was immediately obvious that chesskid came into this game with a clear agenda. His posting had intent. It had purpose. He had a plan, and he was enacting it from the word 'go'.
You try to look at why Chesskid is even voting for Mastina and it basically adds up to was ignoring Adenine. Mastina had made 8 posts at this point in the game and her vote was on Reckoner: following the person that she had said she thought was very town and that is pretty much exactly what Mastina tends to do in games.
Small correction, I was not following anyone with my vote, but that having been said, following someone is in fact exactly what I do when I feel like it is the appropriate action to do. But otherwise, yes. This is basically chesskid's case on me--not liking that I voted for Reck who was a fucking strong scumread from his opening alone, rather than Aneninen who was only maybe scum. In spite of me having fucking said quite literally "scum." for Reck and yet only having done "scum?" for Aneninen when the punctuation difference there is not fucking arbitrary.
There's no reason that Mastina should have addressed that issue and it's even more damning because Chesskid previously jumped out at Hindu for ignoring Adenine: If he's so obsessed with people ignoring Adenine, why isn't he going after Adenine? It feels like Chesskid is using Adenine associatives as a bogeyman to push people on without actually lynching them because he sees them as an easy target. I've also considered that Adenine is a scumbuddy here but I feel that is less likely because I am currently townreading them.
Also all of this did cross my mind.
For someone giving me shit for not having gone after Aneninen.
chesskid sure didn't go after Aneninen.
What's his excuse?
That I was the more scummy player?
Gee, I wonder what chesskid said when I fucking said that I voted the more scummy player.
