Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Mulch]

VOTE: kagami

Should be self explanatory if you have questions lmk

[Eddie Cane]

Also, I remember seeing a lot of kerfluffle fosing, would like to see why its scum!kashmir as opposed to town!cavier

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 37

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If you could only see the way she's guilty
Then maybe you would understand
Why I feel this way about who's scum
And what I must do
If you could only see how true
My lies will be when I say
When I say she's guilty

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If You Could Only See,

Tonic

]

3 Eddie Cane (Chara, Ginngie, Kmd4390)
2 Cabd (Spiffeh, Toranaga)
2 Kagami (Firebringer, Mulch)
2 Mulch (Kagami, implosion)
1 Ginngie (Patrick)
1 Kmd4390 (UnaBombaH)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Eddie Cane)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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[Firebringer]

That turbo last night was way more fun than this game

[UnaBombaH]

That's also why I want unabombah to ask Boon what his read is - Boon has most of the same experience with you I do. If I'm wrong, Boon should have you as town (assuming Una isn't scum). As it stands though, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum.

Boon called mulch town from the start, I can ask for an update if you want.

[Eddie Cane]

yes please

[Cabd]

I got laid off today.

It fucking sucks.

I'll be back tomorrow when i stop feeling sorry for myself.

[Cheetory6]

<3 that's shitty man.

[UnaBombaH]

I got laid off today.

It fucking sucks.

I'll be back tomorrow when i stop feeling sorry for myself.

I also just heard last week I'll be demoted..
So I think I can somewhat symphatize - I hope you feel better soon!

[Kmd4390]

So I gather from 2 that you don't think anything alignment indicative happened there (which is silly, but whatever), but clearly Mulch does.

Now when you hop back a few pages and read Mulch's reaction to what happened, which of the following do you see from Mulch?

"Gosh, this makes you town and I'm happy that I now have another townread and have been corrected in my dumb-town ways"

or do you see

"Wow, that's cheating and it's rubbish. I hope you get modkilled for this, because it's completely unfair that my mislynch is going to get away because of this."

His initial reaction to the post read like "hmm is this allowed?" which tells me nothing about mulch. His unvote reads like "lol the mods basically confirmed him as town" which I don't understand but it looks like mulch reacted positively to it.

[Ether]

Chara has fallen into prod range. It's let me know in advance that it should be back later tonight, so no prod will be sent.

[Patrick]

More than likely we are doing Cabd or Kagami today and i see you focusing there, so go more into that

OK.

My recollection of Kagami's scum play from the last team mafia was that he replaced into 4:8 Nightless and spent all game going after the same two people for sketchy reasons. Quickly rereading that, he feels different here. I liked the dialogue with Kmd and the change of heart from KMD scummy/Spiff town to KMD towny/Spiff scummy, it looks natural to me, and I think faking natural changes of opinion is one of the harder things to do as scum. It would be easy to just keep bashing KMD for his odd Mulch-townread and try to shove that down our throats as a pairing.

I've been to I think 3 meets with Katsuki and he fancies he can read me pretty well, so that read was believable. He probably remembers I like being called town as well, but it doesn't seem especially beneficial to buddy up to me when you can just lightly support the paranoia and maybe try to mislynch me later.

I don't agree on the strength of the Mulch-scum case, but it doesn't feel like bullshit.

So although it seems like Kagami's name is popping up alot as a lynch candidate, I don't really understand why - leaning town on him.

As for Cabd, it feels pretty shitty now with his current situation but pretty much what I said in my last post - it doesn't seem like he's doing much. His reason for reading Kagami as town seemed artificial to me and the kind of thing I could imagine making up as scum. But for obvious reasons, that one needs a bit of time (and still clarifying at least for my sake whether the Friendly Neighbour claim is real).

Why is it more than likely that we're lynching one of these two today?

[Mulch]

going after the same two people for sketchy reasons.

Literally this entire game

[Mulch]

Why dosen't that case feel like bullshit?

[Patrick]

What sort of a question is that?

When I read it I don't feel like it's scum fabricating a case. I expect you to reject it, obviously.

[Mulch]

What sort of a question is that?

When I read it I don't feel like it's scum fabricating a case. I expect you to reject it, obviously.

I think the fact that they have had literally no reads progression since their first vote makes them highly likely mafia

[Patrick]

Their reads on people have changed over the course of the game. I even gave examples. Do you mean something else by reads progression? Or just that they've been on you all game is scummy?

[Mulch]

Their reads on people have changed over the course of the game. I even gave examples. Do you mean something else by reads progression? Or just that they've been on you all game is scummy?

Reads progrsssuon on me dude

He locked me as wolf on page 7 and hasn’t changed his vote

[implosion]

I shouldn’t be obv town, I’m town enough to not be lynched but not killed.

So understand that you’re not gonna do anything with that vote on me and focus elsewhere

I really don't understand this statement. "You're not gonna do anything with that vote, just move it off me" is the kind of thing that obvtown says. Someone proclaiming themself to be "not obvtown but town enough to avoid being lynched" is like... a very sensible place for a vote? You aren't obvtown. I agree with that sentiment. But if you aren't obvtown, doesn't that mean that you should be one of the people that others should be trying to actively sort, i.e. shouldn't you be a good place for a vote from someone who's personally unsure on you?

More than likely we are doing Cabd or

?????????
Do you really think there is any chance in hell we're lynching Cabd at this point????

[implosion]

New current townset fwiw is {cabd, Kmd, cheetory, aristophanes, toranga, eddie cane, spiffeh, patrick, una} again vaguely in order of confidence.

Leaving an other set of {Kagami, Mulch, Ginngie, Chara, Firebringer}.

Firebringer was weak in the townset before but I don't think I've seen anything from him since then that's reinforced it. Una is also notably very weak because it's literally entirely off of the i-wouldn't-pick-scum post sounding pretty genuine but apart from that he could totally be scum.

Kmd i personally think is just blatantly obvtown.

[implosion]

And Mulch, because I do want a response to this:

You've called me bad for not townreading you here. You've also said (either here or in some game that was referenced in meta, idr) that you consider your town and scum games very hard to distinguish. Do you not see how these are contradictory? You obviously love to indulge in self-meta; why should I be townreading you so easily in this game? What have you done here that you

aren't

willing or able to fake as scum?

[Patrick]

Reads progrsssuon on me dude

He locked me as wolf on page 7 and hasn’t changed his vote

In the other game I felt like he went after 2 people for bad reasons and tried to rigidly fit a view of the game into a Hoopla/GreyIce shaped hole. This game he's gone after you for reasons I don't find bad, and seems to be trying to work with and sort people.

?????????
Do you really think there is any chance in hell we're lynching Cabd at this point???

I'm still not sure whether to read it as a claim or just a test of Kagami's alignment? It seems like Ginnstie isn't sure and 2 people are still voting Cabd, both of whom have posted since the alledged claim. That's mainly why I was looking for it to be confirmed or denied.

[implosion]

I'm still not sure whether to read it as a claim or just a test of Kagami's alignment? It seems like Ginnstie isn't sure and 2 people are still voting Cabd, both of whom have posted since the alledged claim. That's mainly why I was looking for it to be confirmed or denied.

Well, shrug i guess. I'm assuming it's an actual claim for now but we'll see. Even if he retracts it that'd be a pretty damn bold thing to do as scum.

(That said of course, no rush, cabd.)

[Chara]

Chara has fallen into prod range. It's let me know in advance that it should be back later tonight, so no prod will be sent.

should have bolded that, thank you for seeing it all the same, Ether.
on that note, i'll read now. i saw Transcend get replaced.
hello, Eddie!

[Ginngie]

If cabd claimed i did t see it