Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually there's no point, I'm going to talk to Elli about it

[Something_Smart]

You're either like way overestimating the amount of people that scumread me or were expecting something to happen to hurt my standing.

I kinda think that from his POV he's expecting his townflip to hurt your standing...

[Something_Smart]

Unless I misunderstood that

[RadiantCowbells]

You're either like way overestimating the amount of people that scumread me or were expecting something to happen to hurt my standing.

I kinda think that from his POV he's expecting his townflip to hurt your standing...

I don't see why GL would be expecting to get lynched when he has only a single vote on him

[chesskid3]

You've made your stances clear I'm speaking to the other 12 players and their teams, so if you would kindly stop responding.

[Something_Smart]

I don't see why GL would be expecting to get lynched when he has only a single vote on him

Did GL say that?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see why GL would be expecting to get lynched when he has only a single vote on him

Did GL say that?

Okay so let me explain it

His first post seemed to be predicated around an EoD flip hurting my standing
I called him out on that
you said no, it makes sense because from his point of view if he gets lynched it'll hurt my standing
but that doesn't make sense chronologically

[chesskid3]

It would be quite the coincidence if the first failure of Elli's masterpiece was in the highest stakes game of the year.

There's no such thing as coincidence. Mastina or me.

[Something_Smart]

Okay so let me explain it

His first post seemed to be predicated around an EoD flip hurting my standing
I called him out on that
you said no, it makes sense because from his point of view if he gets lynched it'll hurt my standing
but that doesn't make sense chronologically

Okay yeah I misunderstood what you were referring to in that post, ignore me

[CheekyTeeky]

RC I don't feel like GL is trying to set you up for a mislynch. I think you're misunderstanding each other. I'm open to other suggestions pointing to GL scum but I don't think GL not being up to date on the hider plan is the biggest tell.

My main concern is that he has provided few reads or interactions with peripheral players and the majority of his posts (off the top of my head) deal with hider spec.

GL when you get a chance could you please give some reads?

[CheekyTeeky]

Checking Cheeky, 33 is terrible. No content, but launching an irrelevant question: "Why is OMGUS not spelt OMGYS?", which has nothing to do with scumhunting.

I'll give you a hint.

Look at the post number.

Also, it followed up my first post as an explanation that RC doesn't really suck but that my RVS vote was OMGUS (a joke) because of RC trying to get me to L-1 before I had even posted.

I wasn't aware that having what you consider fluff posts (posts devoid of scumhunting) early game, was indicative of scum. I have a feeling you might be tonedeaf.

Can you tell me how this post doesn't come from town, taking into account that playstyles vary?

[CheekyTeeky]

In 48 she votes for GuiltyLion, no case presented.

Why would I present a case on my RVS vote? This is terriblly strechy shading. It makes me feel like you have an agenda.

[RadiantCowbells]

The way I have phrased it or put it might be wrong but to me it feels like he's writing that post knowing that I'm town and wanting to gently steer town towards mislynching me. I think what I'm seeing there might be a lot more subtext than surface level but it's there.

And yes, I don't like the preponderance of setup spec, I don't like the way he was taking a census on Mastina voters, I don't like the way he was trying to bait out an obvious fact about Elli's tool. Like I think that Something_Smart is objectively the scummiest person in the game given their approach to the three big wagons but I'm not actually very enthusiastic about voting there and hitting scum whereas I have a very good feeling that this one does.

I still can't really imagine town coming up with the quote about Hinduragi making sound and insightful defences.

I wish I had the energy to do better right now but I'm mostly going off gut feelings, and that's usually a good sign for my read accuracy.

RC doesn't really suck

Aww this the nicest thing you've ever said to me

[chesskid3]

Anyway all these discussions are for tomorrow.

There's literally a guilty so it's me or mastina like with any guilty etc etc mafia 101 Princeton guide to mafia

Cheeky I'm sorry to keep doing this to you but read the above please

[Something_Smart]

I still can't really imagine town coming up with the quote about Hinduragi making sound and insightful defences.

There was only one defense that I called that, and it was of the one player I know to be town, so I know it was sound. And it was a hell of a lot deeper than most people scumreading me for playstyle things, so it was comparatively insightful.

What part of that logic does not make sense?

[CheekyTeeky]

74 and 42 don't add up. If she thought my vote on RC was scummy, why did she ask me whether it was an RVS? Acually she responded to the same thing from Chesskid in 198. Why?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Look, who's back!
Aren't you happy? Aren't you all happy? ^_^

Is this a pure RVS vote or are you of the "RC is conf scum due to swap" opinion?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Look, who's back!
Aren't you happy? Aren't you all happy? ^_^

THIS IS PROBABLY SCUM IF RC ISNT

AGREE WITH YOU HERE

This pinged me too thats why I asked Aneninen the question about his vote being purely RVS. So I feel like we're seeing the same things as the same alignment.

Your entrance felt awkward to many, you being my first serious push/question of the game implies I think you're scummy. They do add up but I didn't clarify that I only agreed with Chess on you being scummy not on the relationship RC's alignment has with yours.

Again how does this make me scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I still can't really imagine town coming up with the quote about Hinduragi making sound and insightful defences.

There was only one defense that I called that, and it was of the one player I know to be town, so I know it was sound. And it was a hell of a lot deeper than most people scumreading me for playstyle things, so it was comparatively insightful.

What part of that logic does not make sense?

You're missing my point.

I think that GuiltyLion dismissing a defense that you found sound and insightful because it's 'easy to defend town and be sound and insightful' ridiculous

[Something_Smart]

You were referring to GL with the "I can't imagine town coming up with..."?

God damn either you need to be clearer or I need to read more carefully or both. (You can imagine why I thought you were talking about me there, since you had just called me the scummiest player in the game and you were referring to a quote from me...)

[RadiantCowbells]

When I say that I think you're objectively the scummiest I don't mean that you're the person I scumread the most, if that makes sense?
I'm talking OBJECTIVE details about the game, ie read progressions, overall ignoring the 3 of us, etc.

I don't actually think you're scum and I think that if I'm right on GL you are probably spewed town

[RadiantCowbells]

And yeah sorry if I'm not super clear
want to help me build a snowman and/or wagon?

[Something_Smart]

Yes, it makes sense.

[chesskid3]

Anyway all these discussions are for tomorrow.

There's literally a guilty so it's me or mastina like with any guilty etc etc mafia 101 Princeton guide to mafia

Cheeky I'm sorry to keep doing this to you but read the above please

[Something_Smart]

And yeah sorry if I'm not super clear
want to help me build a snowman and/or wagon?

Do you still think chesskid is scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that it would be very selfish of me to continue trying to lynch chesskid at this point, as much as I want to

[RadiantCowbells]

I also think that this lynch gives me a lot of information about both mastina's and chesskid's alignments