Micro 773: Twin Trap - Game Over

[Hopkirk]

Torn up is strong town.
Chara's entrance was meh, but seemed okay later. Neutral-town.

Where is Chara in 422 GL?

VOTE: Flubber

[Flubbernugget]

Chara and mumble put the most effort into steering away the game the rc/torn mess. There's not enough in the game right now to start calling gambits.

GL, I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Do you think both scum are either on or off the wagon?

[Flubbernugget]

Also, a "lock town" read on torn is absurd

[Hopkirk]

Torn reads like the thread is her hydra quicktopic.

[Hopkirk]

Which is genuine and good.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Chara - 2 - not mafia, mumble
Flubber - 1 - hopkirk

Not voting- Chara, guiltylion, flubber, torn up

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday January 30 at 9:30pm EST

[GuiltyLion]

don't have time to effort post right now but want to get these thoughts down, will be around later

Huh. That feels as fake as your read on N_M.

How was my opening different than say, N_M's?

Where was the push for me to look deeper? Pretty sure that I asked a question, you answered, and I decided to read.

What specifically was cookiecutter? That's an easy phrase to use. Point out the posts.

Why would I have a read on the players I asked questions of before they answered (btw: I said your answer was "mehish").

Mumble - why was Torn Up's read "fake" here? And what's your current read on them?

Because I think they're lock/obvious town (and already were by this point) and I don't really see a town explanation for why you were posting all this unless you're trying to sort them, but it's hard for me to grok that a town!Mumble was really scumreading the Torn Up slot at this point

Uh...the reasoning is in the very post you quoted. Lots of words that felt made up, with nothing supporting them. Thus my questions to explain...which were never answered.

From my POV, scum is in:

{GL, Chara}; {TU, Chara}; {TU, GL}

Vote stays.

this post is awful

Torn reads like the thread is her hydra quicktopic.

Which is genuine and good.

these posts are exactly right

Chara I'm trying to assume town for a bit to probe more at the game state dynamics here because two empty votes there to start the day is not going to immediately generate a lot of useful content. I really haven't fully re-sorted everyone yet so I'm just taking a few angles right now to try to see what teams/alignments make sense with the D1 lynch and what doesn't. I'm not saying both scum were definitively on or off the wagon (Flubber's 426), but rather seeing if I can break things down into a couple pools where there's one scum in each so I can focus more on finding town in the players I'm not sure about.

VOTE: Flubber
absolutely no town incentive to discredit Torn Up townreads, if our townreads are wrong then present a good case on scum!TornUp please
and what's your read on Hopkirk, and what his Torn Up townread means about both of their alignments as a result?

[Torn Up]

VOTE: Flubber

I'm still scum reading mumble, but RC hard defended him and flipped town so I'll leave it today, plus I don't think Tor sees it yet. I need to look closer at Hopkirk's reasoning for TRing us, GL makes sense. From our last convo I think Tor suspected Chara but I say no.

I'm suspicious of the N_M quick vote SOD. He felt town D1 though but is back on my radar.

I think RC NK looks to stir up more trouble between the reads on our slot and Chara's so I hesitate to lynch there today.

Sorry for the lack of effort I'm playing Team Mafia.

[Chara]

Uh...the reasoning is in the very post you quoted. Lots of words that felt made up, with nothing supporting them. Thus my questions to explain...which were never answered.

From my POV, scum is in:

{GL, Chara}; {TU, Chara}; {TU, GL}

Vote stays.

where's Flubber in all of this?

[Chara]

Chara's entrance was meh, but seemed okay later. Neutral-town.

what was meh about my entrance and what made you change your mind, exactly?

Torn Up's town, GuiltyLion is probably town, 431 in particular feels very honest.
i'm trying to see what scum Flubber would gain from avoiding my wagon here. it could be a misplay, but going around assuming that is pointless.

[Chara]

Cheeky: why did NM feel town on day 1? getting a read on him one way or the other would be useful. he looks like town NM to me but it's hard to feel confident in it.

[Chara]

Okay yeah this needs to be policied

can we go back to your "oh i'm stupid" post? what did you think you misread?
and no, it doesn't need to be policied. let's play mafia instead.

Hopkirk: i think the answer to your question is rather obvious.

I thought I misread 40 as them excusing their hydra dissonance when they just said their play was erratic. Turns out excuse was earlier

Mumble came off as trying to change the conversation away from the dick measuring without emphasizing their intent

i missed you answering these, my apologies.
are you townreading Torn Up, in that case?

i don't remember purposely steering any conversation away. as far as i know i showed up around when the fight was dying down.

[Chara]

actually i want to go ahead and call Guilty and Torn Up locktown and go from there.

Hopkirk/NM/Flubber/Mumble
the only one i'm really scumreading is Mumble. i'm not inclined to just sheep RC's read there, considering he was scumreading both Torn Up and myself. Hopkirk later. i was happy about the lack of new pages but there really isn't much to read from Mumble and NM.
naked votes. haha.

[Mumble]

GL, watch this.

this post is awful

This post is awful.

See what I did there?

where's Flubber in all of this?

I think you're smart enough to figure it out.

naked votes. haha.

Not naked. I was on you at end of day yesterday, and nothing about the night kill or your content today has changed that. It's a continuation.

[Chara]

it was a joke. hence the laughter. ;>

i'm smart enough to see you're townreading Flubber, should i have asked

why

you are and been more obvious? i can't see him mentioned once in your ISO.

[Chara]

Flubber/Mumble, Flubber townreads me and lumps Mumble and i together for the same reason?

[Mumble]

Because there are only two scum and I like his stance on TU. Kinda hard for there to be much interaction between all slots when D1 ends after two days.

[Chara]

"there are only two scum" doesn't work when your scumpool is three players. i realized Hopkirk isn't in your pool either, why is he town?

you're also still voting me for naked voting on day 1, as far as i can tell. i know why you're scumreading Torn, and Flubber's lack of townread on Torn is enough for a townread from you, too. have you talked about Guilty?

[Chara]

VOTE: Mumble
the day ending quickly is a valid reason for a lack of player interaction, but Mumble already having his pool with that reasoning on Flubber and no interaction, i don't buy. Hopkirk as well. it also reads like an excuse rather than a reason.

[Mumble]

Ok.

I probably haven't talked about GL, but I have notes for me based on his posting D2. Not really focused on the pre-flip associative at this point. I really get my reads from watching how things go between players. It'd be cool if we had a longer day phase this time around.

[Mumble]

i realized Hopkirk isn't in your pool either, why is he town?

Also, it's not that flubber/hopkirk/NM are town...I just don't have a reason to have them in my scum pool. Watching how things go and re-evaling, but I gave my POV as it stands now.

[Chara]

I probably haven't talked about GL, but I have notes for me based on his posting D2. Not really focused on the pre-flip associative at this point. I really get my reads from watching how things go between players. It'd be cool if we had a longer day phase this time around.

as long as no one lynches themselves this time, that should not happen.
can you share those notes, then?

pedit: so, what are the reasons you have for Guilty and me?

[Torn Up]

Cheeky: why did NM feel town on day 1? getting a read on him one way or the other would be useful. he looks like town NM to me but it's hard to feel confident in it.

His entrance felt towny + taking on RC early felt town, this was reinforced when he voted us for making us lock town. Actually thinking about it I don't think think I'll lynch there today either.

I'd prefer mumble over flubber, because I think flubber probably saw the same things the D1 lynch player did.

So for me right now it's looking like this


N_M, GL
Hopkirk, Chara
Flubber, Mumble

~ C

[Chara]

taking on RC early? you mean his joke vote? he spent the rest of the day agreeing with RC before hammering in usual NM fashion.

[Torn Up]

Because there are only two scum and I like his stance on TU. Kinda hard for there to be much interaction between all slots when D1 ends after two days.

Oh this reminds me why I started scum reading NM --- twas the hammer.

~ C