Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop

catching up hold on

[hiplop]

why cant we just do espe

[sheepsaysmeep]

no

this

also ate comes from town but this

you posting incredibly actively when a wagon begins to grow on you to not wanting to play

is scummy ate

VOTE: zach him under pressure is just bad im fine with this

[momo]

and we're back to l-2

I srsly agree with sheep, the attempt to end the zach wagon is ridiculous

this only happens when someone is scum

to go from L-1 to L-4 to L-2 in only a couple hours

how do people not see this

[Thor665]

2. I never questioned the interaction, I questioned the sidelined vote.
3. I already called Zach a town lean, so, no, probably not. My ISO is tiny, don't make me repeat reads

For 2, leaving the vote there is part of the interaction. I know full well that it's not contributing to another wagon. Is there some hurry that my vote is actually needed somewhere else?
For 3, no the point is what do you think about the votes, not what you think about Zach. I'm approaching your question about jjh that way, analyze the votes on the wagon.

2. Yes - it's called the vote is meaningless. You literally just admitted the vote is not doing much, so the idea that it is somehow important for the interaction says that you're lying to me or to yourself.
3. I don't see a lot of value in that discussion prior to a flip. Some look fine, some don't.

What's your reason for townlean on Zach? And for you, what is the main reason for jjh being scum?

For Zachs it was his reaction towards jjh's really meh attack on me.
I hadn't been posting much, doesn't seem a lot of value to pseudo buddy me, and it's not like Zach was shopping a jjh wagon so wanted to make sure to cut him down. Felt super organic and legit as a reaction, and therefore townish.
Short answer: gut.

For jjh - at this stage let's call it his derpy interact with me post. It all feels like posturing over content or seeking info.

@Momo - Reeeeeeeeeally don't like how you dropped the conversation with me after I scored a very telling blow against your "crux".
You can be a scum read now - your case is balls and you aren't willing to admit it, and now you're working on noise over content.

[momo]

Can you describe loosely the "cases" on me and why you think they're good?

jjh's is the only case in this thread...my bad completely..I was talking to my partners while making this

you have some traces of the idek category that gerry is

except that I actually remember you

I need something to remember about your play

You need to push someone

The "case" on you is similar to the case on fenchurch

on top of this, you keep on asking people to interact with you...why can't you interact by yourself...

WHY aren't you taking initiative

...there...that's the crux of why you are scummy

@Thor

...while you are definitely not as low on my readlist as you were before (due to progression in this game and you actually coming online), read this post. Your interaction with me has been the only one you have really driven and I could even argue that that is from an OMGUS scum initiative. I want more from you.

[Thor665]

You need to push someone

I am pushing someone - I'm pushing jjh. Though I'm mostly sheeping along.
That said, me sheeping on that push is a push and you ought to be able to read me for doing what I'm doing.

on top of this, you keep on asking people to interact with you...why can't you interact by yourself...

WHY aren't you taking initiative

...there...that's the crux of why you are scummy

Probably I'm not taking the initiative (though I would suggest it's blatant that I *am* taking the initiative)
Because I'm NOT asking people to interact with me.
JJH was complaining about that, and *I* initiated - not him.

You have things backwards because you're skimming and are claiming it as the crux of your case.

What the hell Momo?
Save your town read from me - I'm sinking fast with you right now, this is bollocks posting.
Why am I wasting this time on a made up mistake case and you're acting like it's serious while complaining that I'm not on top of stuff enough?

Fucking bullshit I'm sweating it, I'm suspecting it because you're supposed to mix pressure with your words and push people. It's an empty vote and I'm not getting lynched.

Reactions = sweat my friend.
Feel free to claim you're dry, but you're reacting hard.

What made you vote me in the PEdit? What new post came to light that made you vote me?

The mod's vote count showing that you were a top wagon.

@Momo

Stop wasting my time.

[hebichan]

and we're back to l-2

I srsly agree with sheep, the attempt to end the zach wagon is ridiculous

this only happens when someone is scum

to go from L-1 to L-4 to L-2 in only a couple hours

how do people not see this

I just want hammer tbh.

[Espeonage]

Hey Thor are you scum with momo?

[momo]

and we're back to l-2

I srsly agree with sheep, the attempt to end the zach wagon is ridiculous

this only happens when someone is scum

to go from L-1 to L-4 to L-2 in only a couple hours

how do people not see this

I just want hammer tbh.

at this point, I'm fine with a hammer, put your vote on...we'll see what happens

[Thor665]

Hey Thor are you scum with momo?

Sure.
Vote him first though, my PR is way cooler.

[Thor665]

Actually, since I trust no one and am not actually pushing a Momo lynch over a jjh one.
Let's just say that if anyone gets a night result on me tonight.
Lynch Momo.

[momo]

You need to push someone

I am pushing someone - I'm pushing jjh. Though I'm mostly sheeping along.
That said, me sheeping on that push is a push and you ought to be able to read me for doing what I'm doing.

on top of this, you keep on asking people to interact with you...why can't you interact by yourself...

WHY aren't you taking initiative

...there...that's the crux of why you are scummy

Probably I'm not taking the initiative (though I would suggest it's blatant that I *am* taking the initiative)
Because I'm NOT asking people to interact with me.
JJH was complaining about that, and *I* initiated - not him.

You have things backwards because you're skimming and are claiming it as the crux of your case.

What the hell Momo?
Save your town read from me - I'm sinking fast with you right now, this is bollocks posting.
Why am I wasting this time on a made up mistake case and you're acting like it's serious while complaining that I'm not on top of stuff enough?

Fucking bullshit I'm sweating it, I'm suspecting it because you're supposed to mix pressure with your words and push people. It's an empty vote and I'm not getting lynched.

Reactions = sweat my friend.
Feel free to claim you're dry, but you're reacting hard.

What made you vote me in the PEdit? What new post came to light that made you vote me?

The mod's vote count showing that you were a top wagon.

@Momo

Stop wasting my time.

I clearly haven't been paying enough attention to you

admittedly, I have overlooked the jj wagon today because of how it started, its persistence, and how it seems to be going nowhere

I put a lot of scum leans/reads because I am a paranoid player...that's just how I am

Imma put you as a townlean for now

ALSO: I don't know what I was doing with my espe read...this is ridiculous...As much as it hurts to say this, I agree with hiplop...the intro must have been forged/coached....the play has been deterioating ever since...I put too much stock in the beginning, forgetting that this is not a normal game...scum!espe had days to be coached by 4 other players on how to intro as scum, this coaching has been lost since then because they have their own games...espe is replacing thor's spot as a scumread

[momo]

we are not lynching me today

we are lynching zach, who is clearly scum

you are playing like a buddy, trying to take apart his lynch...stop it

[Thor665]

Go address my Zach = town case and get back to me, maybe I'll change yet another of your rainbow reads.

[hiplop]

also espe is a competent player.

[Espeonage]

I am offended that people think I need coaching tbh.

[Espeonage]

also espe is a competent player.

yeah this lol.

[hiplop]

and we're back to l-2

I srsly agree with sheep, the attempt to end the zach wagon is ridiculous

this only happens when someone is scum

to go from L-1 to L-4 to L-2 in only a couple hours

how do people not see this

I just want hammer tbh.

why are you not linking up with my snivy

[hiplop]

also espe is a competent player.

yeah this lol.

weird influx of new users who seem to not know how good us old folks are

[momo]

Yeah, this is your case

For Zachs it was his reaction towards jjh's really meh attack on me.
I hadn't been posting much, doesn't seem a lot of value to pseudo buddy me, and it's not like Zach was shopping a jjh wagon so wanted to make sure to cut him down. Felt super organic and legit as a reaction, and therefore townish.
Short answer: gut.

See this is exactly the kind of thing scum could stage. As I mentioned earlier, I was talking to mathdino privately `~a week ago on viable strats if you role scum

We came up with that it would make perfect sense to start a wagon in rvs and then hop of it when it gained popularity. This is an easy thing to fake and can be done by scum. In fact, it's an easy thing to do and anyone reading the surface would immediately give you at least a townlean. This is a great scum strategy! I don't see town hopping of an L-4 rvs wagon without good reason and I def did not see those reasons from zach...stop defending obv!scum..it's beneath you.

Did I change your read?

[Espeonage]

It's actually kind of promising that you only want me voted on your terms.

[momo]

It's actually kind of promising that you only want me voted on your terms.

Idk...see this is one of those goes both ways things....

To quote a50 in 707..."you're townreading me but for the wrong reasons"...see that line...how hard do you think it is to type....but if you post that, you are not accepting an easy townread, why would scum ever do that

it's just as promising a scum strategy as it is a town one

[Espeonage]

It's actually kind of promising that you only want me voted on your terms.

Idk...see this is one of those goes both ways things....

To quote a50 in 707..."you're townreading me but for the wrong reasons"...see that line...how hard do you think it is to type....but if you post that, you are not accepting an easy townread, why would scum ever do that

it's just as promising a scum strategy as it is a town one

Ok but if hiplop is scum trying to set up my misslynch then they wouldn't flat out reject support because the premise of the other player is wrong. Like that could be what's happening but it's completely stalled my brewing read on hiplop bc it is direct counter to my read of trying to coast.

[momo]

It's actually kind of promising that you only want me voted on your terms.

Idk...see this is one of those goes both ways things....

To quote a50 in 707..."you're townreading me but for the wrong reasons"...see that line...how hard do you think it is to type....but if you post that, you are not accepting an easy townread, why would scum ever do that

it's just as promising a scum strategy as it is a town one

Ok but if hiplop is scum trying to set up my misslynch then they wouldn't flat out reject support because the premise of the other player is wrong. Like that could be what's happening but it's completely stalled my brewing read on hiplop bc it is direct counter to my read of trying to coast.

this is a good point...should def be taken into consideration but I don't think it can counter the read entirely

but good conversation espe...I honestly dunno how to read you

you started up high, came a bit down, but are coming up again

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