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[TwoInAMillion]

lol no one is forcing you to answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

err...........

how are those germane to the gamma case?

the first one was obv fake but resemble a past gambit he did as scum
the second was a past game reference

[Gamma Emerald]

Because scumTranscend townGamma makes more sense than TownTranscend ScumGamma. I've seen Transcend fakeclaim as town but it was extremely anti-town play and I don't think he would do it again as a rule unless he is playing against his win condition.

LOL what shit meta is this
the first claim resembles what he did in pod's Kill All Townies game almost to a tee

[Gamma Emerald]

are you ever not online

This is Transcend's problem if he's town: he thinks I have the amount of time I had in the past for the game. However, I very much do not.

[TwoInAMillion]

GammaisObvtown, James is obvtown, Mulch is , Chara is obvtown, FL and Transcend are scum, everyone else is up in the ari.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Another closer look -

Spoiler: Gamma ISO:

7...RVS vote on Yankee.
8 fluff posts.
53...wants to know why Yankee voted Smocaine (why?)
74...unvotes because L-2. Not because no suspicion towards Yankee. Decent unvote that could be for town cred.
89...questions Hawk for calling a Smoc post a townslip. good I guess
161...angry at Smoc for misreading Flavor?
181...good post. NAI but good.
182...though townreading him, questions Smoc scum reading him.
182...joins Hawk on the Yankee wagon (for piss poor reasoning) while at the same time supporting scum!Hawk theory. (So why join Hawk on Yankee?)...which Transcend calls him on.
302...votes TIAM for being "posturey".
350...explains his reads to Hawk. Yankee WAS scummier....but now more confident in scum!TIAM. Calls Hawk town.
380...getting a little defensive of James posts towards Smoc. Votes James. <insert chainsaw noise>
A defensive poorly explained exchange with the Fro99er slot.
400...Who cares?
413...the fourth post in a row where he discusses/defends his townread on Smoc.
429...questions why the Fro99er slot would be voted for lying. I would say it depends on the lie. To blanket statement this opinion seems bad.
498...says Hawk has been too erratic to be scum.
503...corrects Transcend on something he (Transcend) said regarding Hawk.
514...Answers Mulch question posed to the Fro99er slot.

Gamma, who are you referring to when you say "he made a mistake?" The Fro99er slot or Transcend?

527...says he can figure out Creature in a few more irl days.
613...says Yankee failed at trying to be obvtown.
621...weak shade on TIAM.
654...comes to the defense of Flavor a bit.
667...while maintaining the lone vote on James, says he would vote Yankee right now if he wasn't trying to sort Creature. Creature who has no votes at this point.
842...questions TIAM on having Hawk as suspect in his reads list. Consistent.
844...townreading Locke (off content...not replace out).
846...seems to be coming to the defense of Flavor.
847...defends Flavor some more. Says Antihero is different than he was in Walking Dead S2E2.

What alignment was Antihero in that game?

851...tells Transcend he would support Yankee or James wagons. Votes Yankee in his next post.
867...gives his reads.
886...says he might hold off worrying about TIAM until D3. Good to know you will both still be here.
923...responds to my catch up asking me to clarify my read on Hawk. Mentions I tend not to hardbus. No question as to why I am voting him (Gamma).
927...FOSs his null read Mulch for saying "So now what"...lol.
946...asking Mulch to explain his Gamma vote calling it an overreaction.
1030...unFOSs Mulch and asks Transcend why he voted him (Gamma) instead of Creature or James (why not me who you are currently voting and who Transcend was voting most recently?)
1047...asks the Fro99er slot why he voted him (Gamma).
1049...says I should be lynched for my reason on voting him...."not having cared for his posting all game". This despite not asking me to clarify my reason for voting him and not stating the same sentiments towards Mulch, Transcend and the Fro99er slot.
1053...decent response to my questions.

Summary - On closer review I do not dislike Gamma's posting as much as I did after my initial browse through the game. I'm second guessing my initial gut scum read on him. bleh.

Says he suspects the Yankee slot "somewhat" in 192 and re-votes Yankee. Not sure he has expressed any other suspicions towards the Yankee slot he is "somewhat" suspicious of but has maintained a vote there most of D1.

So Gamma...are your suspicions toward Yankee (me) still centered around his unexplained vote on Smoc on page 2?

UNVOTE:

Still leery of Gamma but want to look closer at Smoc. Also...Creature would be a good vote as well IMO. His contribution this game feels off to me and, while not overposting anywhere afaict, he is at least posting in other areas of MS. And what he has contribute when he has posted here has been pretty useless. I do not recall him being totally useless as town.

There's a bit more to it but that's kinda the core reason: I felt like he wasn't explaining himself because it was all a load of bullshit
And I can't talk specifically of this right now but Creature's current activity here is very scummy imo.
53: because there seemed to be a reason for it
161: yeah
514: Fro99er (I think, might have been someone else, not Transcend tho), for voting on a mistaken perspective slip
847: scum, he was Heartless hydra for the beginning of that game
1030: Creats (at least I thought, was projecting) and James were his strong suspicions, so I was wondering why he wasn't going after them

[havingfitz]

Another closer look -

Spoiler: Smocaine ISO:

5...RVS vote on Mulch.
fluffx4
18...asks Creature somewhat out of the blue if he (Creature) is suggesting people lynch Gamma. hmm
fluffx5
49...calls Yankee's switch from Gamma to Smoc on page two an odd progression.

You never answered Yankee's question on how switching from Gamma to you was an "odd progression". Why was it odd?

56...offers Hawk and explanation of his (Smoc's) exchange with Mulch. Says he likes the Mulch vote on Yankee.
60...says he is offended and votes Yankee.

What were you offended about Smoc?

TIAM tangent... 66...what reason did Yankee give that was "dumb"...he asked you as well and you deflected.

Back to Smoc:

67...why do you say this post was in the wrong thread and why is Yankee "confscum"... now? For his switch from Gamma to you without giving a reason?
79...no idea how Smoc is concluding that TIAM is town here.
83...tells Hawk he is sure that Creature is scum. EBWOP Creature is TOWN.

How would you know based on 11 posts of fluff and 1 post that says no one looks like a good vote.

123...fighting urge to sheep Transcend (who is voting Hawk at this point).
124...

how were you "shading GE" when Yankee voted you? You had said "Fite me" and asked Creature if he was requesting a Gamma lynch"....where is there shade there?

130...says Flavor's 128 was bad. Because it was a "False interpretation." I can see how FL could be mistaken. This FL shade is bad.
162...explains to Gamma how FL is overreacting to Smoc calling out his (FL's) TIAM mistake.
164...fair observation imo wrt Flavor Leaf's reactions to Smoc's comments..
175...says he is never voting or nk'ing Fro99er. No reason given.
178...says Hawk is pretty scummy. The same Hawk who is the only other person along with Smoc who is voting Yankee. smh....
180...Decides he thinks Gamma is scum and places lone vote on him in his next post. Not Hawk who has four votes at this point and was just deemed "pretty scummy" in Smoc's previous post.
358...intersting observation by Smoc wrt yankee's Post 54. If I didn't know Yankee was town (i.e. me) I would say it wasn't a terrible hypothesis. Also not sure it's something I would know to look for unless I was scum looking for a traitor or a traitor who was trying to signal scum with the observation to being with.

Traitor tangent...I don't feel like looking this up mid-ISO....do mafia typically know when (not who of course) there is a traitor in the game?

Back to Smoc:

368...gives Mulch some flack for townreading so many players. "Not necessarily scum but grodders"
375...offers to help Mulch lynch Transcend. Talk is cheap.
379...says he would feel bad mislynching TIAM D1. hmm
649...agrees with transcend that TIAM is town.
657...joins Mulch on Yankee for no stated reason. Until next post....voting Yankee for early suspicions and for OMGUS.
684...

if there is a reason for Trans being scum "trust me it's there"...why not share it? Or push it?

668...shade on Creature for being "popping in to contest GE".
720...hypoclaims actions on Mulch. meh
721..."what were the "reasons given" again for voting Yankee early game?
758...says he would rather lynch Yankee or Transcend. >:/
762...asks Transcend if he would be willing to vote Creature.
1033...calls Transcend vote on Gamma a scumclaim. ???
Impaired rambling.
Done.

Summary - I don't like Smoc any less after reading his ISO. All of his votes are amazingly light on any substance that I can see. I get the feeling there is a connection between Smoc and Gamma but not sure if it is scum partners or not. Based on their two ISOs though I am more inclined to vote Smoc than put a vote back on Gamma (though I would still support Gamma if the alternative was a no lynch or one of my current town reads.

VOTE: Smocaine

[Fro99er]

maybe I really am wrong on fitz

[Fro99er]

I don't hate the smocaine scum read at all

I feel good enough about

hawk anti transcend mulchy and probably 2iam and Chara (chara's more a null-town for me)

that leaves FL Fitz Gamma Smocaine VigBrafin Creature as where I'm still quite unsure or scum reading.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't hate the smocaine scum read at all

I feel good enough about

hawk anti transcend mulchy and probably 2iam and Chara (chara's more a null-town for me)

that leaves FL Fitz Gamma Smocaine VigBrafin Creature as where I'm still quite unsure or scum reading.

VigBrafin????? what

[Fro99er]

We all thought he was sus at daystart. He hasn't done anything but doubledown on his tunnel of me since then. The writing is on the wall friend.

actually yeah this post is pretty scummy in the way it appeals to the rest of town to make him seem like he fits in.

[Fro99er]

I don't hate the smocaine scum read at all

I feel good enough about

hawk anti transcend mulchy and probably 2iam and Chara (chara's more a null-town for me)

that leaves FL Fitz Gamma Smocaine VigBrafin Creature as where I'm still quite unsure or scum reading.

VigBrafin????? what

Gamma stop talking to me

you annoy me.

[Gamma Emerald]

why..........
Also is this just for this game, or all games, and if the latter why have you not told me before

[Fro99er]

just this game

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m so sorry, guys. If I can’t catch up tonight or tomorrow, I’ll replace out. Been getting a lot of last minute work in the city.

[Transcend]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

just this game

why then

VOTE: gamma emerald

Gr8 to see you're still being stupid. The second I actually try to push Creature, whom Transcend has been suspecting but for some reason wants to give them a chance, Transcend votes me. Possible scumblock?

[Transcend]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

Legitimately go fuck yourself if you are town. You decided to establish a timer I had no ability to respond to, and now are deathtunneling me. This is the first action of yours that makes me consider WOTCing you, great job pal

[Transcend]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Antihero]

His demeanor and approach towards things albeit very wrong all appear genuine.

yeah... i would've agreed w that a couple days ago but this:

GammaisObvtown, James is obvtown.

is kinda starting to feel scummy

i guess it's possible he's a titus-clone (esp if he genuinely took your "claims" seriously) but he SEEMED a little more reasonable than that to me at first...

[Gamma Emerald]

Does Titus-clone = alt of Titus? Cos I think they were in the same game once

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not an alt. I have all my games published on my wiki.

[Antihero]

Does Titus-clone = alt of Titus? Cos I think they were in the same game once

no, i just meant someone w the same pants-on-head style. i don't literally mean an alt