♥ ♠ Open 711: Stack The Deck - Game Over ♣ ♦

[mutantdevle]

skitter, you're town reading N_M for his very low effort, barely playing, trolly posts that are NAI for him?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm pushing the best lynch of anyone

[mutantdevle]

I regret taking you seriously in our previous game.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm somewhere like here atm:

{a50} - only here for the claim; I don't really townread him. On play, probably either on the elmo tier or between the elmo tier and the montosh tier

{} - I feel like this ought to be a tier but no one's a strong enough read to put here

{the worst, NM}

{esp}

{screen, sky}

{} - null

{una}

{elmo, lego} - this tier and the tier below it are very, very close together

{montosh, mutant}

{Jay}

Not going to agree or disagree with this list right now, but "bookmarking" it for later use.
I feel like this might be a forced/fabricated list - not sure what gave me that feeling.

[Montosh]

Yeah, he got reactions, but he got reactions that no one can follow because they're so muddled up in his attempts to create confusion.

It seems to me he's going for a "too scummy to be scum" thing. I don't like his play, it's anti-town and he's got a better of flipping scum than anyone else.

I disagree with the bolded in that I don't think that the reactions are muddled or difficult to follow.

I don't much like the posts you made last night: they feel like you're pushing a PL more than they feel like you're pushing a scumread, and a lot of your posts are IIOA and seem largely bereft of scumhunting (specifically posts like 570 or post 576). I say the latter because you kinda just summarize people's opinions without much commentary.

On the latter post, yeah that was me starting a new one but then getting sidetracked by screen, so fair enough there. On the former though, the only way I know to scumhunt is to look at people's play and reactions to certain situations and determine if those reactions fit scum play more than town play, which was what I was doing in 570 and the previous post of that nature I made.

Also, what's IIOA?

[skitter30]

skitter, you're town reading N_M for his very low effort, barely playing, trolly posts that are NAI for him?

A few of his early posts mirrored what I was thinking early-game. I'm on my phone now, but I could pull up specifics when I get onto a PC again (maybe this afternoon but prob not till tom night)

It's not that strong, but I don't have any confident townreads right now, and have way too many scumreads.

I'm treating the troll posts as noise and ignoring them.

Not going to agree or disagree with this list right now, but "bookmarking" it for later use.
I feel like this might be a forced/fabricated list - not sure what gave me that feeling.

I don't really know how to talk to you about this if you don't know why you think it's forced/fabricated.

P-edit @montosh - I'll respond after class or when I get home.

[Almost50]

@skitter: If you "feel like" Montosh is trying to push a PL, wouldn't that make Montosh likely town already, since it'd be a genuine push (as opposed to explicitly declaring it to be a PL, which could be fake)??

[UnaBombaH]

I don't really know how to talk to you about this if you don't know why you think it's forced/fabricated.

You don't need to right now, I'll return to this on a later day when there might be actual contextual information available while re-reading.

[skitter30]

On the latter post, yeah that was me starting a new one but then getting sidetracked by screen, so fair enough there. On the former though, the only way I know to scumhunt is to look at people's play and reactions to certain situations and determine if those reactions fit scum play more than town play, which was what I was doing in 570 and the previous post of that nature I made.

Also, what's IIOA?

IIOA = Information instead of analysis

I feel like a lot of your posts are just giving summaries of what happened or what other people said without really explaining why you think that post is important enough to quote/cite. I can understand why examining the game like that might make it easier for you to sort people, but a lot of those posts are simply repeating/summarizing other people's comments, and I don't really see you coming to many conclusions or indicating why those posts are significant.

@skitter: If you "feel like" Montosh is trying to push a PL, wouldn't that make Montosh likely town already, since it'd be a genuine push (as opposed to explicitly declaring it to be a PL, which could be fake)??

I'm not entirely sure I understand the distinction you're trying to make tbh.

Are you trying to argue that 'not explicitly declaring it to be a PL' inherently implies that the push is genuine because I'm getting an overall vibe of 'wanting a PL on Screen' from his posts without him explicitly stating that?

-- I'm kinda v/la on Fridays and Saturdays and won't be able to answer anything else till tom night.

[JaydragonKing]

Well at least we got six days left for a decision from the entire group. Though one of those days is from me joining and another two possibly from Sky so...

You guys have been going at it for eleven days. Holy shit.

[legoboyvdlp]

Yeah, he got reactions, but he got reactions that no one can follow because they're so muddled up in his attempts to create confusion.

It seems to me he's going for a "too scummy to be scum" thing. I don't like his play, it's anti-town and he's got a better of flipping scum than anyone else.

I disagree with the bolded in that I don't think that the reactions are muddled or difficult to follow.

I don't much like the posts you made last night: they feel like you're pushing a PL more than they feel like you're pushing a scumread, and a lot of your posts are IIOA and seem largely bereft of scumhunting (specifically posts like 570 or post 576). I say the latter because you kinda just summarize people's opinions without much commentary.

On the latter post, yeah that was me starting a new one but then getting sidetracked by screen, so fair enough there. On the former though, the only way I know to scumhunt is to look at people's play and reactions to certain situations and determine if those reactions fit scum play more than town play, which was what I was doing in 570 and the previous post of that nature I made.

Also, what's IIOA?

Information instead of analysis. You say people are doing this and this, but you don't say what that means, like it is is AI.

[UnaBombaH]

Not_Mafia is peaking my interest in the policy-lynch department..

[Not_Mafia]

You don't have security clearance for the policy-lynch department, please return to reception

[Espeonage]

Nm just vote Jay.

I'll fix this game.

[legoboyvdlp]

The hammers thing feels contrived and a dummy, considering I've seen town srceen play normally.

Just reading back a bit, how do you compare his game this game to his usual town game?

[UnaBombaH]

Nm just vote Jay.

I'll fix this game.

Promise to fix this if I vote Elsa?
VOTE: Jaydragon L-2 AFAIK.

[Espeonage]

The hammers thing feels contrived and a dummy, considering I've seen town srceen play normally.

Just reading back a bit, how do you compare his game this game to his usual town game?

Uhhh, not batshit insane.

Also yes I promise una.

[legoboyvdlp]

No policy, no abnormal play, no jarring stances

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I hate meta, but this coupled with the players he had his formative games with feels really bad.

In this game as town, he makes those claims of having found scum in his early posts as town which he does here.

He also makes claims of pr hunting, same here

He also is... obnoxious, abrasive, but overall a good player much like he is here

So unless he is good enough to have a consistent meta between every game, no matter alignment,

UNVOTE:

as my entire csse has evaporated like a droplet of water on a sunny day

[legoboyvdlp]

Who else should I be voting for?

[Espeonage]

The person I am.

[Sky_Paladin]

I think interactions around Screen are probably more interesting than Jay, particularly Skitter/Not Awful.

The whole interaction between Jay/Screen suddenly going for a 1v1 is super strange though and I do feel strongly there is scum between the two of them. I am not averse to a lynch on either slot.

I would be keen for a Not Mafia lynch at present as he is deliberately avoiding meaningful discussion. This is a clear distinction from passive lurking and actively evasive behavior.

Probably if I was the vig I would hit that slot tonight.

[legoboyvdlp]

Why should I vote for Jay/Creature, Espeonage?

Apart from meta?


(ooc I keep reading something about Elsa in this game IIRC... is Jay a hydra account?)

[JaydragonKing]

Jesus, Esp. You get mad at me for trying to help along with a Lynch then you suddenly do the same exact thing.

[JaydragonKing]

Why should I vote for Jay/Creature, Espeonage?

Apart from meta?


(ooc I keep reading something about Elsa in this game IIRC... is Jay a hydra account?)

I go by Elsa and/or Jay. I usually do it in my introduction but I replaced in this time. Your now the sixth person to ask if this is a Hydra. I'm going to reach a record.

[Almost50]

@Jay: Are you a hydra?