Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 48

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3 Spiffeh (Ginngie, Patrick, Mulch)
1 Cabd (Toranaga)
1 Chara (implosion)
1 Eddie Cane (Kmd4390)
1 Kagami (Firebringer)
1 Mulch (Kagami)

7 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Chara, Cheetory6, Eddie Cane, Spiffeh, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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[Chara]

i'm an idiot for forgetting to check the thread ~2 hours ago.

I basically wholeheartedly agree with Patrick's assessment of Mulch's recent posting. I want to call it town, but I don't know if I can. But:

i don't get mislynched as town. ever. i get wagoned and suspected plenty. there's a difference. i obvtown when it matters.

Unvote

VOTE: Chara

haha.
imp's Fire thing is sort of town. i'm not sure i agree with it. he answered the question in a relevant way, and if it's

true

that Fire thinks the track record is good but doesn't know the how, why not say it? not everyone outs tells.

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I don't think Firebringer's 858 would ever come from scum!him

[Cheetory6]

Can you unpack that?
Why?

[Chara]

i agree, i'd forgotten about that post but that's why he's in my townlist. i don't have good enough experience to say so definitively but it looked like a very honest post.

pedit: if you want me to as well, it would have to be later. and i'm not sure i could explain well. a lot of fire's posts have been hitting towny pings. in his last scumgame, that never really happened until he began being useful and trying more, but it feels different than here where even his posts that aren't helpful to the gamestate still feel mpre likely town than scum.

[Spiffeh]

cabd: I don't wanna scumread you. why do you care is kagami is scumreading mulch? why don't you care about people pushing you? is it all NAI? doesn't it concern you that scum might be hiding behind meme policy bs reasons to push for your lynch? I don't see you suspecting them. you're focused on your mulch townread instead. it's scummy.

This is a little weird coming from the guy who has almost exclusively talked about his Mulch town read for the whole game

But beyond that, I think Cabd has at the very least been consistent in wanting to sort Kagami as soon as possible so going after him for making that a priority doesn't make much sense to me

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

[Chara]

like asking for my read on him is something he could do as either alignment, but when i gave him an easy townread for how he did so, his reaction made me confident where i had not been.

[Spiffeh]

Can you unpack that?
Why?

I guess it's mostly a meta thing which is admittedly flimsy since I haven't seen scum!Firebringer since DEFCON 4.0

Firebringer putting effort into explaining his reads and answer questions is only something I've seen him do as town (The Thing where he goes after me like the whole game comes to mind). As scum I think he is more prone to being cutesy and fluffy whereas as town he usually mixes that with actual content, which is what he's doing here

[Chara]

scum Firebringer was also in that surprisingly relevant hydra u-pick.
my read isn't really meta, however. the past game just means i can at least be a little more confident in the conclusion i've drawn here.

[Cheetory6]

Do you feel like it's not probable that scumFirebringer tries harder to mix in some content in the context of Team Mafia?

[Spiffeh]

I would say it's not probable actually

It's possible I guess but I don't think Firebringer would care enough about winning to do that and I feel like he's probably just uncomfortable with providing that level of content as scum in general

[Spiffeh]

Unless my meta is supremely outdated

[Aristophanes]

The only reason I’m tr ginngie rn is incredibly dumb I am wondering what’s ur thoughts on her actually

Closer to town than not, but it's not really anything significant.
I could bs with specifics, but it's just that I haven't found anything I disliked in their posting, some posts that gave townvibes and I can buy them feeling disengaged from mafia in general as town here so I don't feel overly worried.
If PoE pool needs to get bigger they're probably going in but for now I'm not really worried about it.

Hey Cheet, can you give me a read progression on Ginngie? You townread them but have no real interactions. I just did a quick Iso and I really dont get a blatantly town feel from them at all. I'd loke to know where you get it from or if the read has changed from the quoted post.

[Cheetory6]

I mean, post itself is indicating that there isn't any specific direct interactions I've had with Ginngie or anything specific in their ISO I could point at to say that they're town.
And I literally end the post off saying that I would add them to my PoE pool if I ran out of people to parse.
I don't really think that should strike you as a serious townread?

In a lot of ways Ginngie's play this game has been very minimal. I could ISOdive her, but I strongly suspect that my conclusion will be "there's not enough there for me to get an actual feeling for what her alignment is in a tangible way". I've been kind of putting her to the side for now.

Iirc there are people who are actually strongly townreading Ginngie (Chara comes to mind?). Would suggest poking them over me about it?

[Toranaga]

ok I'm sorry I didn't have any time to do this, I'm not replacing out though!

I wonder if I'm wrong on mulch and chara

gonna read this in a bit

[Kagami]

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

[Aristophanes]

Okay no worries! I more was asking you because I feel you are my strongest townread atm.

I saw it was a while ago so I wasnt sure if you had a better grasp on them since the post.

[Kagami]

He also looks to be taking pants off head, which is a good thing, and I don't think he misses cabd claim with a scum PT.

[Aristophanes]

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

I just don't see the obvtown Ginngie I'm used to here.

Pants off head?

[Eddie Cane]

I would say it's not probable actually

It's possible I guess but I don't think Firebringer would care enough about winning to do that and I feel like he's probably just uncomfortable with providing that level of content as scum in general

aGree

[Kagami]

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

I just don't see the obvtown Ginngie I'm used to here.

Pants off head?

I personally don't feel like this is the ginn of 10 kilos, but that's an N of 1, and team says town.

[Cheetory6]

Okay no worries! I more was asking you because I feel you are my strongest townread atm.

I saw it was a while ago so I wasnt sure if you had a better grasp on them since the post.

Yeah no worries. I know when you're catching up it can be easy to see something that stands out and not read into what's being said as much as you might if you weren't just trying to catch up.

Could maybe try to poke at Ginngie about some stuff if you feel like she's underplaying your expectations?
(Can also try parsing these posts which respond to concerns about her not playing at a certain level of play this game:

Spoiler: Ginngie posts

VOTE: Mulch

The only reason I'm pushing this is so I can actually play the game because checking in to 4 new pages every couple of hours makes me not read this game.

This isn’t something ginngie would ever push.

She tolerates a lot more than mulch.

You realize I’m no longer able to be hyperactive

And hyperactivity allowed me to read everything

Now am college

And social

And read on phone scrolling

That is how i play this now

It’s literally difficult and apathy inducing for me when i wake up to spam

Okay then suck my ass because you’re pushing a playstyle I’ve been developing that has a noticeable trend

So you joined team mafia, knowing there would be five games going on at once.
Decided you only had time for a bit so you would policy lynch someone who posts too much

I doubt it

I’m playing team mafia because originally it was gonna be me Bulba Pine and Eddie because we had a blast playing scum together.

Then it turned into an obligation and to have a little bit of fun with the players i like. Now Thor is in it cuz of 5 people rule and if you think I’m reading any game besides this game then lol

What playstyle?

I post in bursts whenever i have the time to do so.

Kilos, Maple, Cabds game that just ended, all of them I’m progressively posting less and interacting less.

It’s a noticeable trend of me not being involved like I used too

My entire team hates this game lmao

It’s not singular

To quote Eddie “fuck that”

Bulba “lowest priority”

mastina commented on Mulch town and Trans scum

If we are getting into playing team mafia arguments

Kinda wonder what makes you think I’d play this game as scum

Why would i pick a scum game if i barely play?

Or would i pick town which is a lot more relaxed and something I’m good at because it’s the only faction I’ve played as and haven’t been scum since April in your Real Folks game

Lmao

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

Have any of them read her play in the game otherwise?
If not can you ask one of them to reinforce whether they think she's town here by play?

[Kagami]

Can ask, so far only chesskid and AD have read much of the game, and only incompletely, but I think CK has significant Ginn experience and hadn't voiced concerned.

I'll request an iso-ing.

[Toranaga]

I think ginngie is a villager just for she tunneled transcend early on

#content