Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Mulch]

Spoiler:

what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment

Wasn't really necessarily a case but:

Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.

Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?

Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.
(:

I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.

I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.

You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')

My perception to his entrance is as above and he never really got to a better place in terms of general engagement with the game.

If I were to try to tldr:
it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.

Fair enough. I was under the impression that Cabd is a very solid player and is capable of a lot more than... the garbage that his iso this game as scum as well? That implies he's legitimately busy with other things regardless of his alignment, though I do think there's nothing that makes me townread him in his iso and we are all having scum finding issues so I guess that's implicative. I would argue that his play has been trash even if he is FN though. I still need a hard claim from him, if he is committing to FN we will know soon enough (good luck claiming roleblocked buddy) and if not I am fine having him in the scum lean pile.

Needless to say if cabd actually is roleblocked and flips town tomorrow this is incredibly scummy

needless to say if cabd actually is roleblocked and flips town tomorrow and i am lynched d3 and flip town this is incredibly scummy

TouchÉ

[Mulch]

Hey my first pagetop

[Firebringer]

Yeah I played a few turbos with torangura and I think this is definitely more similar to his Town game than scum.
In the turbos when scum he over compensated and over explained reads and here he isn’t doing rthat.

And I think turbo!meta is like scaled down of actual meta so.
Still very townie

[Mulch]

I think ginngie is a villager just for she tunneled transcend early on

#content

If you know toranaga this is towny also

[Ginngie]

VOTE: KAGAMI

[Eddie Cane]

its harder to fake in turbo, for newer people at least. you dont have time to think about your posts much.

[Eddie Cane]

Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una

why should i not lynch u :O

[Firebringer]

its harder to fake in turbo, for newer people at least. you dont have time to think about your posts much.

Yeah that means your more likely to make same mistakes as you do in larger and slower game.

[Chara]

Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una

why should i not lynch u :O

because if you're town and look in your heart of hearts, you'll know this is town Chara too.
and also because it won't go anywhere.

implosion can explain why that post was scummy whenever he feels like.

VOTE: Kagami
Ginngie is town because we keep agreeing on things. that happens much less with scum.

[Chara]

The thing about the "Chara wouldn't have picked scum" argument in general is that it's kind of wrong?

Sure, Chara is self-admittedly bad at scum. But it also self-admittedly enjoys scum. And so if their team cared more about having fun than strictly having the highest probability of winning team mafia then etc.

As for the "i can obvtown in the right circumstances" i see no reason for us to not put that claim to the test?

oh, i missed this post. mainly because i only read the last page. haha.
meta point: i do enjoy scum! but i like winning more. anyone who knows me knows i hate when one isn't trying their best. team mafia isn't the place for me to be trying to improve my scumgame. i'd be really embarrassed if i lost a game because of that.

second point: so that's why. well, fair's fair. but if you're voting me because you want to see me obvtown after pressure... i'm not going to feel very pressured.

this is an argument to wagon me, not an argument for why i'm actually scum. you've presented a hypothetical, that i'd care more about fun than i would about winning, and suggested that you see if it's true. it's not compelling and it makes me wonder if you're scum after all. which is entirely possible. :>

[Chara]

town: Toranaga, Kmd, Firebringer, Ginngie, Cheet
townish: Cabd, Spiffeh, Mulch, Patrick

leftovers: Eddie, Una
scummy leftovers: Kagami, implosion, Aristophanes

[Eddie Cane]

since it seems kagami is the wagon, could every person voting eli5 why they're voting it?

[Cheetory6]

I'm aiming to dive Kagami, Tora and Una either tonight or tomorrow morning.
Can someone make a nice summarized case for why they're liking Kagami for scum?
Ideally like 3-4 condensed and easy to understand points. Will make it a lot easier to engage and force a Kagami is scum vs Kagami is town binary that people have to address.

P-Edit: eff you that's what I was about to ask for

[Chara]

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

I just don't see the obvtown Ginngie I'm used to here.

Pants off head?

she looks obvtown to me.
do you have experience with scum Ginngie?
even someone able to obvtown can't do so every game. looking different from a towngame =/= scum.
possibly invalid if you have scum experience, but this read doesn't seem to imply that.

[Eddie Cane]

fuck cheet


okay work time bye friendos ill probably check in with my phone after work and then going to a party so gone for the night

[Chara]

I'm aiming to dive Kagami, Tora and Una either tonight or tomorrow morning.
Can someone make a nice summarized case for why they're liking Kagami for scum?
Ideally like 3-4 condensed and easy to understand points. Will make it a lot easier to engage and force a Kagami is scum vs Kagami is town binary that people have to address.

P-Edit: eff you that's what I was about to ask for

Kagami is one of two players that hasn't done anything i can look at and think town. implosion has but his vote on me isn't doing anything to advance the game and the fact he made that choice after all he had to say about the rest of the gamestate is pretty suspect to me.

there's also a wagon on Kagami. :>

(i will actually ISO him and give you something more concrete when i'm home.)

pedit: bye, have fun!

[Cheetory6]

Bahhhhh I guess I should metadive implosion while I'm at it.

THAT'S OKAY I DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BESIDES MAFIA THIS WEEKEND ANYWAYS.

[Firebringer]

I'm aiming to dive Kagami, Tora and Una either tonight or tomorrow morning.
Can someone make a nice summarized case for why they're liking Kagami for scum?
Ideally like 3-4 condensed and easy to understand points. Will make it a lot easier to engage and force a Kagami is scum vs Kagami is town binary that people have to address.

P-Edit: eff you that's what I was about to ask for

How much has ur buddies been talking to u about this game?

[Spiffeh]

What else are weekends for really?

[Firebringer]

Movies with friends

[Spiffeh]

"friends"...?

[Firebringer]

Internet friends

[Cheetory6]

How much has ur buddies been talking to u about this game?

A little.
Mostly just offering some reads that I've been taking into consideration.

[Firebringer]

How much has ur buddies been talking to u about this game?

A little.
Mostly just offering some reads that I've been taking into consideration.

Okay
I thought some of ur stuff didn’t look like urs or somethingn

[Spiffeh]

I sincerely doubt scum!KMD gets Mathdino to comment on literally everything for this long especially getting some pushback from people thinking it was initially disingenuous

Maybe this is a dangerous assumption in general but KMD seems pretty town otherwise as well which makes me confident in my read here

He's been asking questions that actually matter and holding people to them, and I think the last time I saw scum!KMD he was in perpetual "catch up mode" which I feel would be an easy thing for him to revert back to as scum with the hyper-posty nature of this game