Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Kagami]

Keep in mind, Fire didnt take the PM for this game initially.

What makes him town by play?

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 56

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All I know is that to me
You look like you caught the scum
No point playing out this farce
Watch out, here I come
I'll plop that vote down, baby, right down
Drop the hammer, baby
Too bad he's town

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You Spin Me Round (Like a Record),

Dead or Alive

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5 Kagami (Firebringer, Mulch, Ginngie, Chara, Kmd4390)
1 Cabd (Toranaga)
1 Chara (implosion)
1 Mulch (Kagami)
1 Spiffeh (Patrick)

6 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Eddie Cane, Spiffeh, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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[Spiffeh]

Ok I've completed my reread

Time for the moment you've all been waiting for

Town: {Cheetory6, Ginngie, Kmd4390}
Townlean: {implosion, Firebringer, Aristophanes, Chara}
Null: {Mulch, Patrick, Eddie Cane, Cabd}
Scumlean: {Kagami}
Scum: {Toranaga, UnaBombaH}

Miscellaneous comments:
The only reason Aristophanes is in the town lean pile is because he is pretty much the last person that chooses scum on that team. Nothing about his play so far has indicated town to me
I feel weird ending the reread with both Mulch and Eddie Cane as null but I feel both of their alignments could go either way. I have reasons to town read and reasons to scum read both of them that have basically canceled out and here we are.
Cabd would be a scum lean without the friendly neighbor claim because he's done nothing worthy of being town read beyond that.
Kagami has been overall sketchy but at times I've seen glimmers of towniness that make me reconsider. I wouldn't cry if she was lynched today.

Toranaga and UnaBombaH are the only two players I haven't gotten town feels from at any point. I struggle to see any
People are claiming to be town reading Toranaga based on meta and I still want specific games/examples that make his play here indicative of his town game vs. his scum game.

UnaBombaH had a pretty bad entrance and has never really recovered from it. There seems to be a lot of talk around Eddie Cane and Transcend that really isn't translating into anything productive which makes me think he's just talking for the sake of being involved. There are probably other things that I can't remember rn
VOTE: UnaBombaH

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I don't think Firebringer's 858 would ever come from scum!him

Can you unpack that?
Why?

I guess it's mostly a meta thing which is admittedly flimsy since I haven't seen scum!Firebringer since DEFCON 4.0

Firebringer putting effort into explaining his reads and answer questions is only something I've seen him do as town (The Thing where he goes after me like the whole game comes to mind). As scum I think he is more prone to being cutesy and fluffy whereas as town he usually mixes that with actual content, which is what he's doing here

It's possible I guess but I don't think Firebringer would care enough about winning to do that and I feel like he's probably just uncomfortable with providing that level of content as scum in general

[Kagami]

Things are getting hard to make fit in a world without Cabd-scum, but shrug.

[Eddie Cane]

I guess I'll take Spiffeh and Tora out because the former is starting to be productive and the latter Transcend said is never scum here.

What was Transcend's reasoning for saying Tora would never be scum here.

If it's because of his team make-up, can you tell me who on that team would be more likely to pick a scum role PM?

I can't ask him. he just said obv town.

[Cheetory6]

Hi Kagami I asked you things.

Here's a summarized rundown if it makes it easier:

i) Why would you think that Transcend voting someone who wasn't around at all would look better on him? Wouldn't it look like he was doing nothing?

ii) Was wanting to policy lynch seriously factoring a lot into your stance on him in the earlygame? Do have any kind of history of advocating for policy lynching?

iii)

I would have to feel a little better about kmd before going that route.

"What exactly did KMD have to do with Spiff at this point?
You weren't voting him and he wasn't voting Spiff?
Also don't really understand why you felt bad about KMD here at this point. (assuming I'm reading this post correctly)"

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Would appreciate someone checking this and letting me know what they think:

There's a part in Kagami's engage with KMD where they reference a contradiction in 1231 that felt outright incorrect - but it didn't really seem like Kagami was using that as specific reasoning as to why KMD was scum, which is probably the closest thing to a townleanable bit of content that I've gotten so far in Kagami's ISO. I feel like scum takes something like that and holds it over KMD's head, especially while trying to paint KMD as a potential Mulch partner at the time. Kind of shows some level of nuance in the manner in which Kagami may have been trying to sort KMD.

[Cheetory6]

I thought his responses to Transcends unusual Toranga vote were perfectly reasonable coming from town, and I don't see what Transcend is jumping at. If someone you're unsure/maybe suspicious of votes someone you think is town, isn't it normal to ask why? Im see the followup in post 410, but can't say it resonates with me.

Kind of feel like this is missing the point of what Transcend was saying/doing? Like, the issue isn't that Mulch questioned it, Transcend was saying that the degree to which Mulch reacted to Transcend pushing him vs Transcend pushing someone that Mulch was townreading was disproportionate. It seems like you're acknowledging this by saying you read 410 but then I don't really understand why you left the bit in about Transcend pushing Mulch for the Toranaga vote in this post. Or if you felt like the reasoning Transcend was using had changed at some point, it doesn't really seem like you checked back to see if it squared up and just accepted 410 at face value which would be kind of weird.

I feel like there's some portion of thought process being omitted here, can you walk me through it?

This seems a bit feigned in it's aggressiveness. I feel like you would understand the point Spiffeh is making even if I don't expect you to agree with his interpretation.

Quoted post is him relaying a teammate's thoughts so I'm really unsure why you were getting on KMD's case for seeming fake when it's emotional telephone. Would probably be a lot more weird if it wasn't feigned?

I feel alot better about implosion and

Unabomba

Can I get some words on why for the bolded?

[Ginngie]

Im sick

[Firebringer]

Keep in mind, Fire didnt take the PM for this game initially.

What makes him town by play?

I actually wanted this PM initially and me and RC had a fight over it and I just resigned to Beeboy’s game which I told everyone was last game I wanted to play because it was beeboy as mod

[Eddie Cane]

awake, cheet wya with reads rn

[Cheetory6]

KMD
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Firebringer, Aristophanes (s), Eddie, implo (s), Chara
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Kagami, Ginngie (s), Tora (s)
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Una (s), Patrick, Mulch (s) *null line
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Spiff
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Cabd

Where (s) is a stale read that I need to spend more time on.
Una and Tora are for sures for efforting at tonight.
Implosion scum metadive is probably my next stop but probably not a tonight thing.

[Spiffeh]

Wow I am way too low you should be ashamed

[Firebringer]

Why is kagami a townread

[Cheetory6]

Why is kagami a townread

Townlean, but I went through each reason that people were scumreading Kagami, wrote it out and then dived Kagami and disagreed with all of the reasons being pushed.

I've asked people to engage me on what I thought was something townish about Kagami but nobody has so I'm probably just going to trust my effort over people's kneejerk gut reactions to their posts.

Wow I am way too low you should be ashamed

Shrug. Your earlygame really sucked and I still feel like it's pretty plausible that you're scum who was trying to coast the earlygame who is now dropping content in response to pressure.
It's not a particularly confident read but I have a lot of townleans otherwise.
Might change my mind after diving Tora if I agree with your push there.

[Firebringer]

I’ll be back later to fight cheetory going to go have anime marathon

[Cheetory6]

Hi Kagami I asked you things.

Here's a summarized rundown if it makes it easier:

i) Why would you think that Transcend voting someone who wasn't around at all would look better on him? Wouldn't it look like he was doing nothing?

ii) Was wanting to policy lynch seriously factoring a lot into your stance on him in the earlygame? Do have any kind of history of advocating for policy lynching?

iii)

I would have to feel a little better about kmd before going that route.

"What exactly did KMD have to do with Spiff at this point?
You weren't voting him and he wasn't voting Spiff?
Also don't really understand why you felt bad about KMD here at this point. (assuming I'm reading this post correctly)"

Oh also:

iv) Is there a reason why it seemed like you were ignoring Mulch when he was initially asking you for reasoning as to why you were scumreading him?

[Ginngie]

No seriously

am I the only one that feels like Mulch's activity is dropping

[Cheetory6]

Nope.
I'm sure you can expect it to increase now though.

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

22nd, 0-232
23rd, 231-259
24th, 260-286
25th, 287-295
26th, 296-353
27th, 354-373

I did like a thing

[Eddie Cane]

KMD
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Firebringer, Aristophanes (s), Eddie, implo (s), Chara
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Kagami, Ginngie (s), Tora (s)
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Una (s), Patrick, Mulch (s) *null line
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Spiff
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Cabd

Where (s) is a stale read that I need to spend more time on.
Una and Tora are for sures for efforting at tonight.
Implosion scum metadive is probably my next stop but probably not a tonight thing.

Good list (tm)

Why are you so solid on Fire/Chara/KMD? Let's start there, especially with how paranoid of Chara you were last game.

[Eddie Cane]

i just realized all of my updated thoughts are available with a quick skirt skirt iso

[Cheetory6]

Why are you so solid on Fire/Chara/KMD? Let's start there, especially with how paranoid of Chara you were last game.

Sheeping other people on Firebringer to some degree (or at least the reasoning about him probably not trying at all as scum is resonant).

Chara came from ISOdive things. Following their thought process from start to finish made what otherwise might feel like a distant engagement with the game feel a lot more fleshed out. Could probably give specifics if you wanted them. I was arguably a lot more paranoid of A50 in Alisae's mish mash game. I think I said something along the lines of "Chara might have a scary scumgame and A50 feels like scum to me" multiple times.

KMD just has a lot of energy that I feel would be really really hard to fake for scum and especially for scumHim (having seen him basically lurk out as scum a few times in the past. The Kagami push especially just kind of seems like a misunderstood but genuine push from him.

[Eddie Cane]

Okay, I'm fine with those explanations, though Fire wouldn't be a town read for me. I was intending to engage with you more on reads but I am actually lower on time than I thought due to sleeping in too late and I want to out something now that it needs to be outed before I go out. Are Spiff and Cabd the fn soft tm really your closest things to scumreads? Thats concerning to me cause Spiff seems townish and lolcabd.