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Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:36 am

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Day 1, Votecount 64


4 Kagami (Firebringer, Ginngie, Chara, Kmd4390)
4 Mulch (Kagami, Eddie Cane, Toranaga, Spiffeh)
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)
1 Chara (implosion)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.


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Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:37 am

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@Chara at one point you realized that you were meta-ing Mulch all wrong and said you'd have to reevaluate that read because of it.

You haven't really mentioned him since, so what is your read there now?
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Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:38 am

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In post 1796, Mulch wrote:I really dislike eddies readslist in the reads and in the reasons
Good to hear I'm not alone in that either.
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Post Post #2253 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:40 am

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In post 1810, Chara wrote:town: Toranaga, Kmd, Firebringer, Ginngie, Cheet
townish: Cabd, Spiffeh, Mulch, Patrick

leftovers: Eddie, Una
scummy leftovers: Kagami, implosion, Aristophanes
If I'm removed from the bottom tier, I can live with this.
Like, I think Imp MIGHT be towniest of the other 4 in the "lower brackets", but I wouldn't be surprised if we found 2-3 scum there :cop:
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Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:48 am

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In post 1834, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1321, Kagami wrote:Also pretty sure that FB is scum, but I'm not going to lynch a gunslinger claim and supporting that read would require breaking rules.
I'm 90% sure that Firebringer isn't actually a gunsmith and 100% sure that him claiming to be one is NAI
Again, agreed on a claim being fake. More likely NAI, than what Cabd pulled.
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Post Post #2255 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:58 am

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In post 1895, Firebringer wrote:Aristophanes hates scum and manages to lurk every game as it.
I haven’t found a distinction so far this game since it seems ari has been forcing himself a lot to post which makes me think possible scum and RC thought so too.

I don’t get Aristophanes townreads beyond ari would never self choose scum.

I am letting ari be though.
Everything except the last line fits my current read on the slot. I mean, I don't WANT to let Ari be, but apparently he is off the table for todays lynch. :(
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Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:03 am

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In post 1899, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1490, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them.. :?
What specifically makes you think it's no longer TvT?
I think I already commented on this, but it just feels weird..the interaction between them I mean.
One or both of them are trying to force something, and I'm not sure which one of them holds the scum-agenda.

One other example that comes to mind: mulch calling Trans' hunt on him something like an ambitious attempt at glory (nailing scum!mulch D1),while he also openly admits to being lynched a bunch D1.
I'm fairly certain there are times where he has flipped scum D1 too. :]

I also feel like Eddie might be playing his scum-game.
I love to be the center of my own analysis, but for example - town!Eddie has no reason to be "suspicious" about me.
He knows how low my play actually is ( :lol: ), and town!Eddie would either call me straight out as scum, or townbin me "for now".
Scum!Eddie likes to keep his options open, and tease the idea that I COULD be lynched D1.
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Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:05 am

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In post 2251, Spiffeh wrote:@Chara at one point you realized that you were meta-ing Mulch all wrong and said you'd have to reevaluate that read because of it.

You haven't really mentioned him since, so what is your read there now?
null. i really don't feel like parsing that ISO trying to figure out his alignment. even the non-meta aspects of my reads (which were most of it) have been worn down by examples of Mulch performing them as both alignments. i still want to call him a townlean but it's not with confidence.
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Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:06 am

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In post 2255, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1895, Firebringer wrote:Aristophanes hates scum and manages to lurk every game as it.
I haven’t found a distinction so far this game since it seems ari has been forcing himself a lot to post which makes me think possible scum and RC thought so too.

I don’t get Aristophanes townreads beyond ari would never self choose scum.

I am letting ari be though.
Everything except the last line fits my current read on the slot. I mean, I don't WANT to let Ari be, but apparently he is off the table for todays lynch. :(
i liked that post from Fire as well and it informed part of my read.
Una: you'll get out of that pile if you towntell. :>
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Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:10 am

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fwiw una I legitimately find it funny watching you try to meta me but I have to cut it off unfortunately

1) your paranoia is over the top and dumb as a player. fine, there's others like that. now you have 4 partners to help you sort tour thoughts and your garbage hypotheticals are unnecessary.
2) I have no reason to suspect you? excuse me?
3) I have you as scum right now. give me boon.
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Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:09 am

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In post 1952, Spiffeh wrote:UnaBombaH had a pretty bad entrance and has never really recovered from it. There seems to be a lot of talk around Eddie Cane and Transcend that really isn't translating into anything productive which makes me think he's just talking for the sake of being involved. There are probably other things that I can't remember rn
I'll have to continue my reread tomorrow from here, shame to leave it on such a post.. :?
All I can say now is that I'm not scum, and you will all see that sooner or later. :]
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Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:11 am

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In post 2259, Eddie Cane wrote:fwiw una I legitimately find it funny watching you try to meta me but I have to cut it off unfortunately

1) your paranoia is over the top and dumb as a player. fine, there's others like that. now you have 4 partners to help you sort tour thoughts and your garbage hypotheticals are unnecessary.
2) I have no reason to suspect you? excuse me?
3) I have you as scum right now. give me boon.
Boon is a busy man..I'll see what I can arrange. :]
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Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:43 am

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So... this is interesting. There is no longer an element of policy, so if I could get Tora and Boon's final reads on mulch if they're town i'll go to kagami or spiffeh most likely. I want to be clear I still think that slot is on the scum side, but if Tora and Boon adamantly disagree I am probably wrong.
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Post Post #2263 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:04 am

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Hey guys I would be having a lot more fun if people could just not scum read me so please just the rest of the game with the assumption that I am town and everything will work out thanks in advance
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Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:06 am

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In post 2263, Spiffeh wrote:Hey guys I would be having a lot more fun if people could just not scum read me so please just
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the rest of the game with the assumption that I am town and everything will work out thanks in advance
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Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:09 am

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Speaking of thinking Spiff is scum ( (: ), Kagami/Spiff partnering feels like a really real possibility to me and a huge amount of scrutiny should be applied to one if the other ever ends up flipping scum.

Implosion's Kagami case posts are hard to find something to disagree with on the surface but I agree with Patrick/Eddie that it really feels like something's wrong with them. The approach feels off to me? Something like.. he's trying too hard to find scum motivation in a way that feels more like "I want this person to look like scum" rather than "all of these points are genuinely standing out to me as reasoning for Kagami being scum".
If he's town he's probably going to find that commentary unfair/annoying though, so I'm eventually planning to pick apart the reasoning itself.

I probably have no time until Wednesday to do anything substantive.
Can probably do some real time interaction if people want it.
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Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:30 am

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Do you think Spiffeh looks scummy on the last page? I think his approach to Mulch there might be the scummiest thing I've seen so far in the game.

What made that pairing come to mind then? Just Spiffeh backing off Kagami or?
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Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:35 am

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Not a big fan on Unabombah using chara's readlist as an indirect way to give his own. Would prefer to see one from Unabombah with at least some reasoning.
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Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 2266, Patrick wrote:I think his approach to Mulch there might be the scummiest thing I've seen so far in the game.
Why is it scummy specifically? Pitch me it.
Patrick wrote:What made that pairing come to mind then? Just Spiffeh backing off Kagami or?
There's a bunch of interactions/interest from Spiff in Kagami, but Spiff never really gets anything from the interactions and just kind of comes off with "maybe scum". The way the interactions happen just strikes me as potential distancing.

There's some other stuff too but I'd need to reread to put it together into an actually digestible set of points.
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Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:39 am

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You should probably just ignore any thoughts that I'm scum because they will be detrimental in the long run
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Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:42 am

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In post 2223, Aristophanes wrote:I'm not going to continue making excuses though. I will catch up and be relevant.

I would to the classic Pine replace in strategy of reading just the last 5 pages and using it to extrapolate the whole game from, but I know 90% of that is probably shitposts and by the time I get done I'll be another 10 behind!
So i may as well skim the whole thread.
Is there a reason you're not comfortable offering up more thoughts as you go instead of just compiling them all at the end? Would certainly be easier for scumYou to create a narrative of your reread at the end of it all, rather than putting it together as you go and potentially having to worry about people picking at specific things as you reference them.

I also really dislike the way you've referred to this game as "90% spam" because it's really not all that true after the first little bit of the game.

p-edit: I could certainly be voicing a lot more concerns about you.
I especially wanted that thought on the table for people to reference against if I'm not here when we hit mid/lategame.
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Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:49 am

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I would actually prefer if you voiced more concerns about me then because right now it just looks like you're fear scum reading me and not really acknowledging my actual posts which is a little frustrating

I thought you would be engaging me more after I posted my thoughts especially since your frustration with me not doing much is what provoked me to reread the entire game in the first place and while I feel a little more grounded in my reads the fact that I'm still a scum lean for you without much of an articulated reason based on my recent content I can't help but feel like it was a waste of time lol
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Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:53 am

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Do you think I have time to seriously parse every player in this game?
I dove you like less than 48 hours ago and I no longer trust myself to be able to read people confidently through real time interaction.
I have work.
I have other commitments besides this game.
I'm trying my best.
If you want me to just not comment on your slot at all until I'm completely caught up with everything you've said, then okay.
But you're really not the only player in the game that I'm concerned with and I'm not even trying to lynch you right now.
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Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:54 am

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There's also that you're not directly interacting with any of my specific content beyond just being like "stop scumreading me!"
I have lots of reads that aren't you.
Feel free to engage those too if you're actually concerned with trying to figure this game out.
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Post Post #2274 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:54 am

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Who are you trying to lynch right now?

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