Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[Dunnstral]

Even though I just moved off Marquis onto tchill?

This is the second time you've accused me of bussing without anything to go on

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah. Kinda does.
Marquis -> Town enough to probably not bother lynching today
Dunnstral -> Actual lynch candidates

What has you thinking Marquise has done ANYTHING that they couldn't easily fake as Scum?

[Llamarble]

Mm, in the picture in my head they are town at least somewhat.
Why does this upset you?

We actually don't have much time left. I hope I can chunk time in tomorrow (30th) to try for a final solve. 3/15 is so hard
My subconscious is really concerned about Postie.

[Llamarble]

I literally unvoted the second I realized my mistake. And the reason I thought there was a wagon there was I remembered votes on someone Llalmarble suspected, and knew some people were suspecting Marquis, so I thought the votes were on her. I get that there is some scumminess to what I did, but I didn't just votepark, I actually thought I had a point. And I've asked other questions and made other reads, so what I'm seeing here is you boiling down my content to one misguided push.

You can see the focus here is on explaining how he believes his actions differ to how you presented them - he's saying he thinks you were misrepping him.

Alright guys, got our first.

Wanna actually address my issues with you rather than say "got our first"? Or do you just want to throw shade?

So this is based on how you play then? That's alright but not everyone plays the same, so that's not a perfect method of reading people.

Then he continues to engage you, as a follow-up to his vote. From these comments I get the vibe he's not exactly 100% on his vote and is looking to get more information out of you to develop his read.

Looks pretty natural to me.

I

literally

unvoted

the second

I realized my mistake. And the reason I thought there was a wagon there was I remembered votes on someone Llalmarble suspected, and knew some people were suspecting Marquis, so I thought the votes were on her.

I get that there is some scumminess to what I did, but I didn't just

votepark, I actually thought I had a point. And I've asked other questions and made other reads, so what I'm seeing here is you boiling down my content to one misguided push.

I think you can also very much see the frustration bleeding through here as he's trying to explain.

OK TSQ this does look townie.

You don't think Postie is white knighting for Gamma here? Reminds me of me WNing for Ellieheathen in some game ages ago that isn't worth looking up.

Raagghhh I want to solve this

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE: tchill
Might be temporary unvote. Note toself remembertherepbreakdown
Meow

[Gamma Emerald]

Mm, in the picture in my head they are town at least somewhat.
Why does this upset you?

We actually don't have much time left. I hope I can chunk time in tomorrow (30th) to try for a final solve. 3/15 is so hard
My subconscious is really concerned about Postie.

You don't need a fully accurate 3/15, just 2/15

[Gamma Emerald]

btw TChill review is in progress

[Llamarble]

I don't care about that I just want to lynch correctly D1 before I go poof.
Eddie feels sorta lynchbaity; wking for gamma then pushing eddie feels like how I would play this as scum, but Postie has done a good job on word choices and stuff at a few points idk

[Thestatusquo]

UNVOTE: tchill
Might be temporary unvote. Note toself remembertherepbreakdown
Meow

:/

don't like this post. at all.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1.21

Tchill13(4)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral

northsidegal(1)

~ Marquis

Marquis(1)

~ Cogito Ergo Sum

Llamarble(1)

~ Sauce

LicketyQuickety(1)

~ Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ ActionDan

EddieFenix(1)

~ Postie

Davsto(1)

~ Tchill13

Cogito Ergo Sum(1)

~ Lycanfire


Not Voting (3): Davsto, Llamarble, EddieFenix

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's a very bleh vote count. Tchill doesn't feel much better than a random lynch to me.

Because I originally was voting GE, after a back and forth, I unvoted them. I'm also waiting for fresh blood/meat to get in here to sort some of those damn null spots I have in my reads. Marathon, CES.

Even in a marathon standing still is not very helpful. Pressuring people is pro-town, so why aren't you doing it? Why don't you make like your new avatar and go face?

My subconscious is really concerned about Postie.

What do you think of #446? Relevant context: none of those questions have received answers.

[Thestatusquo]

That's a very bleh vote count. Tchill doesn't feel much better than a random lynch to me.

Please explain. In great detail.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I assume you're asking about the second sentence since the VC should be self-evidently bad with the votes spread across 9 different people.

With Tchill, I see like 2 things that feel definitely scummy to me (the faux catch-up at the start, #212), some big picture "lack of scumhunting"-scumminess but then you also have his off-the-wall theory about Postie being coached (especially in the context of him disavowing team mafia-based theories) which is a nice town tell. It looks to me like a wagon driven by relatively crude heuristics.

[Postie]

white knighting

Oh goody another for my collection

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

the way you (Postie) came in to rescue Wyvern really got my heckles up

you were townreading my scumread in such a way that I figured either you were partners or you were WKing a scummy-looking town slot

No offense but simoyd/postie is really obvious now [...] based on Postie's case [for town!Simoyd] which makes absolutely no sense and would never trump his current inconsistencies

postie is defending RC to the grave, and this comes off as if she KNOWS Rc is town

[Llamarble]

Postie:
In the first link you self meta a bit mentioning you're prone to "can you" questions as scum
You have 3 can yous in this game.
Do you really think Eddie is scum? I may be falling for 'too scummy to be scum' here, idk.
Like, yeah, he is not performing the basic functions of a town, but is that because he's scum? Not sure.
Like I was saying before, I mostly like your tone Postie but I do think you're playing this game like I would as scum. Starting pretty strong, then slowing down a bit and the followup content is defending an unpopular (but fairly obvious because indignant?) townread and giving a scumread on someone who isn't living up to what they should be doing (this was your reason for LQscummy earlier too).
What fraction of your team mafia time is going into this game?

I kinda agree with CES; Tchill got an independent read, and then repeated (that's what my note to self is about) his same idea after not much attention was paid to it.
I also agreed with him about the Postie thing he didn't like, which I think of as being breakdowny, for lack of a better term.
I think An ISO could be worse, though I won't call him town or anything.
Some of my Tchill vote was "there's a latent wagon on this guy; what will happen if I vote him?" The read was admittedly a little stale even when I went on.
Dunnstral and LQ are the serious possibilities for scum voting TChill.

I'm hoping some scumteam drawn from Dunnstral LQ AD, possibly CES could work.
If not I'll soon hit the "I have significant reservations about every lynch" point and be sad.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Postie

[Thestatusquo]

I'm going to hard no sir a postie lynch today.

[Sauce]

Aaaand our only scum slot is dead. I can tell you why I requested the swtch now and how the role distribution came about.

I didn't want to take it at first because I didn't have any theme nor scum game experience on this site, but I had lost two games as town.
Nevertheless the main reason for it was because I didn't want our most experienced team member Almost50 to take it, and be distracted by the role madness and scum chat. Our primary directive was to be scumhunting and I figured we needed him never to abandon that mindset throughout the course of the tournament.

Toranaga wanted a town role and said Cheeky would be good as scum, but the only reason in favor of placing her there that she invoked was that nobody would expect it, so I spoke out against that course of action, because a 1 to 4 scum to town role ratio does not warrant our strategy to be rooted in deception.

When I sent in the PM to Ellibereth (late) everyone seemed to be content about their games except me. I still wanted the open game but I wouldn't have requested the switch if Alisae hadn't ignored my request to edit the scum PT, and hadn't simply referred me to the OP after I had asked him specific role-related questions.
This coupled with the fact that I was slightly irritated by momo's aggressive claiming of the open game sums up the reasons for the switch.
We now have absolutely no reason to lie to anyone regarding anything related to the championship, except who his partners are.

[Sauce]

Almost had marked Lycan and Dunn for scum in our drinking game (and correctly predicted mastina would flip scum btw), but that was prior to lycan's wallpost I believe so I'll wait for an update on that.

I'm not going to vote Postie. Maybe if I wouldn't be in the same situation as her, having announced a strong townread on someone yet not sheeping the townread onto a larger wagon, I'd consider it scummy, especially with the obvtown characteristic apparently outshining her scummy ones.

[Sauce]

But I do want her to explain why she's not voting for Tchill or at least doing something to find more alignment indicative content than chilling on EddieFenix, especially now that Mastina flipped scum and would have more time to help him if he's town.

[Gamma Emerald]

white knighting

Oh goody another for my collection

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

the way you (Postie) came in to rescue Wyvern really got my heckles up

you were townreading my scumread in such a way that I figured either you were partners or you were WKing a scummy-looking town slot

No offense but simoyd/postie is really obvious now [...] based on Postie's case [for town!Simoyd] which makes absolutely no sense and would never trump his current inconsistencies

postie is defending RC to the grave, and this comes off as if she KNOWS Rc is town

What's the point of this

[Sauce]

5 out of 6 posts davsto made are devoid of content, btw. Withholding his vote until he's supposedly read the whole thread doesn't look good, especially when he townreads Liquety too and has no apparent reason not to sheep him onto Tchill.

[Thestatusquo]

Yes, currently we have 11/15 players (including yourself!) not voting for someone useful. It's about that time of the day where you should start lobbying for your preferred kill and not just sitting back vote parking someone while doing nothing to advance the game. If you think I should be voting llamarble, sauce, convince me. Although, I would prefer you pick someone else because I am pretty firmly convinced he's town.

I want to lynch in {tchill, LQ} today. There are some number of people I'd be willing to switch to at DL.

Under no circumstances am I voting for {sauce, postie, Llamarble, lycanfire}

[Sauce]

I would vote for Gamma if only to make his giant quotes + onelining stop, then again scum would probably refrain from being this annoying but that's wifom.
@TSQ why are you townreading me?

[Gamma Emerald]

But I do want her to explain why she's not voting for Tchill or at least doing something to find more alignment indicative content than chilling on EddieFenix,

especially now that Mastina flipped scum and would have more time to help him if he's town.

I feel like the meaning of this is a bit muddled, pls help