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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:54 pm

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Day 1, Votecount 68


4 Mulch (Kagami, Eddie Cane, Toranaga, Spiffeh)
3 Kagami (Chara, Kmd4390, Firebringer)
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)
1 Chara (implosion)

5 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Ginngie, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.


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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:59 pm

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In post 2328, Cheetory6 wrote:Captain Useless
This was dumb.

I'm taking a break.
Sorry Eddie.
I really need it.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:02 pm

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I’m sorry for calling you an asshole btw.
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:03 pm

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Eh I am an asshole.
It's fine.
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:07 pm

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No it’s not
ur not an ass.

Hope everything works out with ur personal things
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:47 pm

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In post 2312, Ginngie wrote:
In post 2311, Kmd4390 wrote:Dude. You want me to town read you and then you post something like this. That doesn't sound like a town mindset at all.
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Why?
Eddie wrote: The only real disagreement is... well, nothing really? Cheet townreads fire and fire scumreads cheet which I disagree with? Don't really get what you mean by they aren't too similar.
Look at firebringer top four scum picks. It's cheet, two of cheets town reads, and cabd. They also have opposite reads on spiff (as I now see he's pointed out himself lol)
implosion wrote: And yes, I do. What's wrong with acknowledging my own confirmation bias?
Bias? The way you phrased it made it sound intentional.
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:02 pm

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but I already argued why ari is a bad town read and considering I town read him for the same thing at a point it's fine. kagami and mulch are interchangeable and which side of the coin you're on is the difference, fire agreed town kagami is mulch scum. they're both fine reads lists and pretty damn similar.
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:05 pm

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That's fair, actually. It stood out to me and I wasn't really taking full context into consideration as much as I should have.
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:09 pm

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In post 2355, Kmd4390 wrote:Bias? The way you phrased it made it sound intentional.
Like I said, it's a mix.

It's, to a degree, me basically saying all of my thoughts about the posts. But I'm also focusing on things that I find scummy, because I want to make the best case for Kagami being scum that I can, so that I can put it to the crucible of what other people think/what Kagami will say to refute it.
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:19 pm

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Fire I think is actually probably solid shot for scum? I don't really have a good reason for that. That thing earlier still pings me. His cheet push slightly pings me. Can't really justify that very well.

I want to say more things but I myself am sort of running low on steam.

VOTE: Kagami

@Toranga
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:22 pm

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Another thing incidentally is that I went back at some point like yesterdayish and skimmed a bit through my ISO in girls pt 1, and I misremembered and it actually took me a while there to get a good townread on Ginngie I think. Although iirc it was largely based on neighborhood posting. But the fact that it took me a bit there makes me feel a bit better about ginngie here.

Aristophanes is as other people are saying still off the table permanently today but on the table tomorrow early because yeah he needs to like do the things that he does when he's town at some point or die.

A significant part of me just wants a damn flip.
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:40 pm

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In post 2014, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: Mulch

You want a lynch confidently pushed? Best case scenario, Mulch is flipping scum. Very likely. Worst case, we remove someone so clearly antagonistic and annoying from the game AND open it up because of just how many interactions he is - probably leading to me reconsidering Kagami and likely voting him. But, this is the lynch today. He is full of shit.
Yea, this is the one post that will probably make me vote mulch once I'm caught up..

Not sure if scum!Eddie would want him lynched D1 though (unless they are buddies and the distancing done between Trans and mulch was over 9k), but I think lynching mulch D1 might be the most productive thing after all. :]
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:41 pm

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In post 2022, Mulch wrote:
In post 2021, Mulch wrote:Fuck you for trying to pin something on me for my personal relations with people
You absolute dick headed cow arsed piece of horse shit
:facepalm:
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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:46 pm

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In post 2045, Mulch wrote:
In post 2025, Eddie Cane wrote:Oh look! A read progression! Now I have a hero complex and lynching the legendary Mulch will help me achieve my dreams of becoming a Pokemon Scumhunting Master
This is exactly what you are trying to do.


At this point I'm convinced your not scum.


UNVOTE: Eddie

This is the point in the game where I find real scum while you tunnel on me with visions of power and the results show post-game.

VOTE: Kagami
Somehow I also scumread this..
I feel like town!mulch wouldn't care about appearances and would just OMGUS Eddie till twilight.
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:49 pm

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In post 2057, Patrick wrote:Initially Unabombah felt awkward to me. Lots of emoticons, lots of jokey/spammy posts. He gave what seemed like a few serious reads: Firebringer maybe town for replace out, liked Transcend, but sort of weakened them later by saying pretty much all his posts have been jokes up until then. 261 gave me a gut pang with both lines, especially "Transcend is garbage town", even though that comment can make sense logically.

He made a series of posts between that post and my next that look a lot better, especially 920. Liked him joining me on Kmd, liked what initially looked like an attack on Spiffeh turning into a townread on Spiffeh - it looked pretty organic to me. He seemed to not be hammering on soft popular targets that nervous/meh scum might, and instead doing his own thing (Kmd & Aris, yes, I didn't agree with scumread on Aris either).

Right now he feels a lot less involved, and I want to hear from him about his reads. Pretty on the fence about his alignment.

Pedit about 6 million posts, time to read those.
This seems like the first post that actually focuses on the right points when trying to sort me.
I'm feeling good about Patrick still, he is likely my only townread that hasn't wavered much at all.
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:52 pm

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In post 2064, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm fine with kagami and mulch being the two wagons with the premise that town mulch does indeed mean scum kagami.
I'd sign this for now as our official D1 solution.
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:56 pm

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In post 2073, Toranaga wrote:I just read kagami's ISO and came out of it with the impression that they're town. I do like their entrance push on spiffeh and I like all of their posts re: mulch in the sense of those being genuine thoughts and kagami believing the push. IDK what's scummy about kagami but maybe you can enlighten me.
OK...and now I'm torn on Toranaga too. This feels like a towny post, just because it would be way easier to jump on the Kagami-wagon and drive it towards the end.
His earlier posts (that I think I quoted yesterday) made me less confident on town!Tor, because it felt like he was going to take an easier route from thereon out, and wagon either mulch or Kagami.
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:02 pm

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In post 2074, Kmd4390 wrote:His confidence in me being town just feels unnaturally strong. I mean, he did say it was because of my stance on teammates helping, so it's not like he hasn't given a reason but it seems like he's coasting on that as a reason and for me to be his "strongest townread", "unquestionably town", and "blatantly obvtown" over it just doesn't feel right.
I feel weird having issues with town reads on me because it keeps coming up and I don't usually do that to this extent
, but some of them just feel out of place and Implosion's fits that category just like Kagami's does. Cheet and maybe Spiff I think just have the right read for the wrong reasons. These two don't feel natural.
@Kmd: So if I understood this correctly: Kagami and Imp have gained scumleans from you because of HOW they have presented their townreads on you? :] I like this line of thinking.

@everyone else: (
bolding my own
) - this one bolded part feels very weird for me. Like, trying to explain your behaviour right before giving (IMO) good reasoning for scumleans feels fake.. :?
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:08 pm

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In post 2105, Toranaga wrote:mulch the amount of self defense you made this game that didn't immediately follow some clear game solving is troubling me a little.

I think if we interact in real time I'll get a better grasp of you right now.
This is what I've been waiting for.
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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:12 pm

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In post 2123, Toranaga wrote:
In post 2122, Mulch wrote:UFO there aren't any wolfy people this game

Spiffeh is pretty null-scum

Kagami is legitmately scummy

Everyone else is some degree of towny

I'm wrong somewhere
VOTE: mulch

dude I was hard pocketed by you, congratulations

but you're scum and kagami is almost always a mislynch here
I think this is the last nail in the coffin for mulch.. :? I was already sold on Tor being able to read mulch (better than anyone else?), so him making it this blatant feels like a sealed deal.
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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:14 pm

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In post 2126, Mulch wrote:I'm not scum smh

this is probably a death sentence for me

Just promise to lynch Kagami after this
I'd be willing to say that town!mulch -flip would make Kagami+Tor both reasonable lynches for D2. :]
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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:14 pm

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In post 2128, Mulch wrote:Nah I'm not gonna fight against it
I'm 99% sure he;'s town too
I know why he's mireading me also but there's no point
Just don't hold it against him and just turbolynch kagami tmrw
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:26 pm

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In post 2267, Patrick wrote:Not a big fan on Unabombah using chara's readlist as an indirect way to give his own. Would prefer to see one from Unabombah with at least some reasoning.
I'll get to this soonish, I'm finally catching up to the game! :lol:
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:30 pm

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In post 2311, Kmd4390 wrote:It might or might not mean anything, but this is the second time I can remember Eddie calling someone's list a good one. The other was Cheet's which isn't really all that close to this one. Eddie's own list also had Cheet and Cabd as town where Firebringer has them in his bottom four. Eddie, why is this a good list and why was Cheet's? Be specific.
Good catch, was already wondering about it while reading his reaction to FB's list..
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:47 pm

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In post 2346, Eddie Cane wrote:--
love you Una <3

Yknow, you guys don't know this most likely but Una is pretty smart
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This does resemble their
towngame from Penguin mafia
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I edited the post so that you can read it from my POV too.. :wink:

In all seriousness though, this IS very similar to my towngame in penguins game.
That was my first normal on site, and I had big trouble townlocking Eddie who ended up claiming Doc before people took him to the executioner.. :?
I then successfully caught two scum (Boon and Vedith) with my very good logics, and very bad rolecopping, and we ended up winning in LyLo!
I'm also going to be an obvious town in this game at a future date, even if I'm never getting my chance to flip Doc like Eddie did. :]

However, I'm not sure if I'm ever able to fully trust Eddie again, mainly because I townread them in Apartment mafia, and he was scum there.
I might be permanently broken from that.
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