Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 69

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Most girls seem to trust you completely
I won't go down quite as neatly
I just know you're scum
Most girls still don't see that you're guilty
I'll lynch you first if it kills me
Everything that I need done
A town to take you down as scum

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Most Girls,

P!nk

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4 Kagami (Chara, Kmd4390, Firebringer, implosion)
4 Mulch (Kagami, Eddie Cane, Toranaga, Spiffeh)
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)

5 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Ginngie, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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[Patrick]

Like for example this:

Reads rn

Town
Eddie Cane, Mulch, Chara
Spiffeh, Toranaga, Ginngie
Kmd43

Null

Patrick, implosion, Unabomeh
Scum lean
Aristophanes, Cabd
Scum
Cheetory, Kagami

Combined with this:

Do you agree if Kagami is town then Mulch slot is scum?

Yeah I said that the other day

Makes very little sense to me. It implies a level of certainty in Kagami being scum that I don't see how someone could have on day 1, such that a Kagami town-flip would bring Mulch right down to the bottom of the list, despite being a current strong town-read. It's not the only example, I think both Ginggie and Eddie have said that there is 1 scum among Kagami/Mulch, maybe someone else has as well. Why is that so likely to be true?

[Kmd4390]

Like for example this:

Reads rn

Town
Eddie Cane, Mulch, Chara
Spiffeh, Toranaga, Ginngie
Kmd43

Null

Patrick, implosion, Unabomeh
Scum lean
Aristophanes, Cabd
Scum
Cheetory, Kagami

Combined with this:

Do you agree if Kagami is town then Mulch slot is scum?

Yeah I said that the other day

Makes very little sense to me. It implies a level of certainty in Kagami being scum that I don't see how someone could have on day 1, such that a Kagami town-flip would bring Mulch right down to the bottom of the list, despite being a current strong town-read. It's not the only example, I think both Ginggie and Eddie have said that there is 1 scum among Kagami/Mulch, maybe someone else has as well. Why is that so likely to be true?

I feel this way to some extent. Part of what is scummy about Kagami is the mulch vote park. That really only makes sense if mulch is town. So if mulch were to flip scum, I'd consider reversing my read on Kagami. If Kagami we're to flip scum, I'd expect mulch to be Town. I don't think either of them flipping town really changes anything for me though.

[Firebringer]

I don’t see Kagami and Mulch as not TvS

[Firebringer]

Implosion have we played games before ?
I honestly cannot remember but I do know u modded a game with me in it

[Kmd4390]

I don’t see Kagami and Mulch as not TvS

Why can't they both be town?

[Firebringer]

Because I’m setting up mislynches

Real answer is it doesn’t seem like town and town
Town v Town is more overwhelming and I got an underwhelming feel

[implosion]

Implosion have we played games before ?
I honestly cannot remember but I do know u modded a game with me in it

Pretty sure I've played with you-town and you-scum, though i think the latter not in a long time. It was chamber's mini normal. We were both town in girls pt 1.

I don’t see Kagami and Mulch as not TvS

Why can't they both be town?

I sort of agree that this whole thing is sort of... scurrilous. Basically, the argument I see for this (other people might have other arguments I've missed) is just that they're two of the scummier individual people, and that they aren't likely scum together. This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

I have mixed feelings about the way people have been talking about Mulch v Kagami in isolation from the rest of the game.

[Firebringer]

Pretty sure I've played with you-town and you-scum, though i think the latter not in a long time. It was chamber's mini normal. We were both town in girls pt 1.

I don’t remember these games

[Kmd4390]

Because I’m setting up mislynches

Real answer is it doesn’t seem like town and town
Town v Town is more overwhelming and I got an underwhelming feel

That makes no sense.

Basically, the argument I see for this (other people might have other arguments I've missed) is just that they're two of the scummier individual people, and that they aren't likely scum together. This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

This makes more sense.

[Firebringer]

This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

What....

If you think that why r u voting Kagami?

[Firebringer]

Because I’m setting up mislynches

Real answer is it doesn’t seem like town and town
Town v Town is more overwhelming and I got an underwhelming feel

That makes no sense.

Basically, the argument I see for this (other people might have other arguments I've missed) is just that they're two of the scummier individual people, and that they aren't likely scum together. This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

This makes more sense.

I make the most sense.
Question whatever u want but I can’t discuss “no sense”

[implosion]

This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

What....

If you think that why r u voting Kagami?

2110 2117

The fact that people are doing something that is potentially-but-not-necessarily sketchy in the event that both Kagami and Mulch are town... does not make Kagami and Mulch both town.

[Kmd4390]

Firebringer, Overwhelming or underwhelming usually says more about the player than the alignment of them and the person they are arguing with.

Like. I townread you and Aris. If you guys became the lead wagons and/or went after each other, I'd be surprised to see it as overwhelming.

[Firebringer]

This is basically the easiest way in the world to set up two mislynches in a row as scum while only making it look like you were involved in one, if it is the event that they are both town. But that said, it can also be genuine as town to think that those two are individually scummy but just not likely scum together.

What....

If you think that why r u voting Kagami?

2110 2117

The fact that people are doing something that is potentially-but-not-necessarily sketchy in the event that both Kagami and Mulch are town... does not make Kagami and Mulch both town.

See it sounds like ur just throwing shade now though

[implosion]

yes i am throwing shade at people by calling out their behavior as possibly-scum-motivated and possibly-town-motivated?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, Overwhelming or underwhelming usually says more about the player than the alignment of them and the person they are arguing with.

Like. I townread you and Aris. If you guys became the lead wagons and/or went after each other, I'd be surprised to see it as overwhelming.

No
You aren’t a tonereader.

There’s a feel to t v t posts. And that wasn’t there.
Could it be T v T?
Yeah maybe but it’s more likely T v S and not S v S either

[Firebringer]

yes i am throwing shade at people by calling out their behavior as possibly-scum-motivated and possibly-town-motivated?

Yeah

[implosion]

this is my perplexed face.

[Firebringer]

If u call it questionable that people are calling this aT v S without using it to inform ur reads, ur just throwing stuff in the air.
It’s not really better than saying a post could or could not be scummy.
Maybe it is maybe it isn’t, I don’t know but if X happens it is.

Like what

[Aristophanes]

So you/your team chose you for this mini normal over the other after you saw what your roles in both normals were?

Who cares?

I dont see why you are on this so much and I don't think it looks good on you.

I will be interested in reading your follow up to this.

I mean.

If you literally look at Mulch's reply to this post on the same page, he says he was planning to take the scum PM if his team got one between the two normals, which is basically what I was trying to get out of this, i.e. a statement from him on what the baseline probability of him being scum is (which happens to be 36% if he is telling the truth about everything here).

It's not something I think is good to emphasize but it's good to know the baseline probability according to him. I also thought he was implying he'd decided entirely which game to pick between the two normals before seeing roles which seemed nonsensical.

I'm not really sure what your issue is with this, Ari.

Yeah, I saw the response and I still think it was wholly unnecessary. You were fishing for this answer in order to make this 33% chance of scum viable!

What did you think of his play? Thats what actually matters!

Patrick, katsuki says you've clearly senile and should just trust us on mulch-scum.

I appreciate Katsuki chiming in with this.

If forced to pick between you and Mulch (replacement), I'd probably vote for Mulch, but am not really comfortable with the idea that that one of you has to be scum, which seems to be gaining a fair bit of support. What's your current read on Spiffeh?

Wait, is Katsuki playing??
I miss him!

[Kmd4390]

lol k.

whatever you say

[implosion]

Yeah, I saw the response and I still think it was wholly unnecessary. You were fishing for this answer in order to make this 33% chance of scum viable!

What did you think of his play? Thats what actually matters!

i have a feeling you'll like my kagami case

[implosion]

Yeah, I saw the response and I still think it was wholly unnecessary. You were fishing for this answer in order to make this 33% chance of scum viable!

What did you think of his play? Thats what actually matters!

i have a feeling you'll like my kagami case

There was also an element where at one point I did literally think he was lying about how he chose which game to play in.

[Firebringer]

lol k.

whatever you say

Thank you for the respect of my skills and ability
It was nice talking to you too