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[Fro99er]

I don't know enough about Normal game setup to weigh in on it scum Neighborizer is strong or not... Don't mods get a grey or abnormal role/mechanic?

yes, but neighbor/neighborizer isn't abnormal

bulletproof traitor roleblocker might be abnormal ... I think it is (since traitor and roleblocker are roles, not modifiers...so a double role is abnormal)

[Chara]

Chara I'm interested in your meta dive results of me

i'm going to sleep, but as you're online:
1) you're right about how scum frogger appears different and what you explained
2) your claim was so convenient, and the way you made it, then changed it, was a large part of my scumread on you because it all didn't look real
3) if your intent was to save Hawk from the lynch, why not just claim day rolecop instead of day vanilla cop? leaving open the option of scum PR Hawk was another reason the entire charade seemed pointless from a town vanilla cop frogger perspective

[Fro99er]

2) your claim was so convenient, and the way you made it, then changed it, was a large part of my scumread on you because it all didn't look real

I didn't change it though until the post before the most recent night phase

[Fro99er]

3) if your intent was to save Hawk from the lynch, why not just claim day rolecop instead of day vanilla cop? leaving open the option of scum PR Hawk was another reason the entire charade seemed pointless from a town vanilla cop frogger perspective

because vanilla cop is less powerful and not knowing the other roles in the game I figured I'd pick a role that had (relatively) low power

[Fro99er]

leaving open the option of scum PR Hawk was another reason the entire charade seemed pointless from a town vanilla cop frogger perspective

leaving that option open elicited reactions I wanted.

[Chara]

i meant your initial claim not including the odd-day modifier. i'd wondered if you did that to avoid having to give a report on a townie whose role you didn't know. by the time i'd considered what you were planning to do on day 3, it was night and you'd retracted your claim entirely.

pedit: i think you're town already, my post was intended to explain my scumread to some extent.

[Fro99er]

i meant your initial claim not including the odd-day modifier.

my initial claim was that I had more vanilla cop to use. I didn't want to divulge the (fake) way I'd use it later.

[Fro99er]

chara who do you think scum is besides fitz?

[Hawk]

I looked up traitor earlier and I'm not sure but it made it sound like roleblocker is possible in normals it's just not common?

Also didn't Mulch say something to me about a Mason? that didn't have anything relevant to this right? I'll find the post. Traitor doesn't know what the other mafia roles are right??

Pedit: I feel chara on this one but not sure I can evaluate just yet. I will assume if Fitz flips scum then frog didn't decide to burn his entire scum team and solo, but I can't see how he comes out the gate voting Fitz with that happening, unless he's really trying to sell the Town!FROG case. Also now that Flavor has outted Gamma and we are probably within the realm of believing he's town we basically have two named townies between me and him and scum should probably kill Gamma tonight unless they really want to play up that Wifom.

Also of note Flavor telling Gamma to go ahead and Neighborize almost feels like it was solely setup for this play Flavor made today as he used me to vouch that Gamma wanted to make the Gambit. Not sure how that reflects on Flavor yet...

[Fro99er]

hawk, stop with the normal speculation. You're not good at it.

traitor roleblocker is likely not normal even though both are individually normal roles. Two *roles* is probably not normal. For example, a cop doctor would not be normal.

however, it's possible they are using traitor as a modifier like neighbor, so a neighbor doctor is normal, but I doubt it.

[Fro99er]

hawk, stop with the normal speculation. You're not good at it.

that sounded mean, and I didn't mean it in a mean way

just that you're not quite getting how the abnormal stuff works, that's all.

[Chara]

Frogger: i still think it's Creature. if not him then Two could be last scum. Gamma is an outside shot if the intent of the setup was to allow the scum to neighbourize their traitor, but i don't know how i feel about scum Gamma now considering scum fitz seems an eventuality.
and Frogger isn't scum, not with fitz scum.

[Fro99er]

Gamma is an outside shot if the intent of the setup was to allow the scum to neighbourize their traitor

that's incredibly strong though

there's zero shot gamma is scum here.

[Chara]

Also of note Flavor telling Gamma to go ahead and Neighborize almost feels like it was solely setup for this play Flavor made today as he used me to vouch that Gamma wanted to make the Gambit. Not sure how that reflects on Flavor yet...

that reminds me of Flavor claiming he had information about the setup. i'm not telling him to divulge it, but is it bad i'm townreading him saying so?

Hawk's still town, though. very.

[Fro99er]

two really doesn't read as scum given interactions with mulch/fitz/yankee and knowing transcend townread 2iam as well.

[Fro99er]

Frogger: i still think it's Creature. if not him then Two could be last scum. Gamma is an outside shot if the intent of the setup was to allow the scum to neighbourize their traitor, but i don't know how i feel about scum Gamma now considering scum fitz seems an eventuality.
and Frogger isn't scum, not with fitz scum.

lol he already divulged it

that gamma was neighborizer

[Fro99er]

as an aside -- Chara you're fun to play mafia with

[Chara]

that's incredibly strong though

there's zero shot gamma is scum here.

i don't like to discount any possibilities, is all. but considering Gamma vs. fitz it's definitely unlikely they're scum together.

[Chara]

lol he already divulged it

that gamma was neighborizer

you can tell i'm sleepy.

[Chara]

as an aside -- Chara you're fun to play mafia with

really? i'm surprised to hear that, though not unpleasantly so, considering how much we've been disagreeing.

[Fro99er]

disagreeing =/= not fun

both games I've played with you I've enjoyed your presence

[Chara]

night.

[Hawk]

I missed the second part from Chara, my response was to me.tbinking Chara was still making some kind of case for scum!Frog

Pedit: fine fine.

Right now I'm with James is probably town, 2iam is town, Frog is 95% town, Gamma is town.

Flavor I'm uncertain of but it's mostly from this most recent decision to out Gamma as neighborizer. Same for Chara uncertain of alignment here. Creature is Lurky still.

Trying to review more and get a good read since I probably will live to endgame :/

Fitz is probably scum, it's not hard to see as Anti laid it out pretty well...

Ppedit: It wasn't that mean lol I've only played a few normals I'm much more used to open and semi open setups.

2iam is probably town Chara. Mulches early game interactions with 2iam make me think he's probably town. also 2iams push on me seems entirely too town motivated. Scum wouldn't push so hard on a Wifom claim I don't think.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know how you get me. Mulch and I barely even interacted.

not the main reason I'm scum reading you, but nice try.

"mulch and I barely even interacted" almost sounds like a buddy claim.

He was fucking traitor. How would I know who he was?

[Fro99er]

Anyway

here's my reads

Hawk Gamma conftown
2iam solid town
Chara/creature/James Brafin probtown

FL probscum
Hawk confscum