In post 846, LicketyQuickety wrote:I've said Chill is a meta read. I've played (I think) back to back games where Chill was Scum. Then Dunn dropped the bomb that Chill is a lot more active as Town and that made me feel better about Chill being Scum. But I am still torn on Chill because there is pretty much zero resistance to the Chill wagon. What Llama says about the wagon being primarily Town motivated doesn't make sense if Chill is Scum with the consideration that there is not hardly even a competing wagon to Chill as of last VC.
TBH, I would have to look up where CES voted for Marqu because I don't remember that. The way I see CES shaking things up is in that he has a different perspective that the "dominant" players in this game. He is going up stream instead of going with the flow. So while he has not been a prolific poster, he still has enough content that I would say is "different" than what everyone else is saying to where I think this gives Town +EV if ECS is Town, which is what I am leaning towards.
Why are you only focusing on his meta, and not the in-game play? Also, if you read him by meta, why did you unvote him and come back to him? I said CES's vote on Marble, not Marquiz. Can you look at that and tell me your thoughts? Why is being different and unique enough for you to give a read? Is it that easy to determine alignment? That seems a little too black and white when it comes to reading.
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#850
1. If Llama's methodology was wrong, why did you insult him instead of just giving him understanding?
2. Thank you for answering, responded above.
3. Note that he said you are trying to shade the people attacking you, which goes back to the omgus point.
4. Again, it doesn't seem that way, when you care more to throw shade at Shea but when he explains his mindset, you don't continue with that conversation, you just want town to react to your play.
5. I've omgused a player as mafia so I could develop a stronger (fake) read on them, and that is what I'm seeing here.
#97
#111 Shea's post here is one example of your reactive play. You focus my slot and don't respond to Shea's question when you said you were open to questions, and your response in 111 should have been one that came without prompting. Again, when I was scum, in Ircher's mafia game, I was trying to play pro-town but wasn't proactive trying to buddy, and town leader Grapes, noticed this and asked why I wasn't talking to him even though I was defending him from MaganaofIllusion. Simply, I didn't care, that is the pure reason why I didn't, and that is what I see in you. Examples here:
#246 and here:
#247 Basically, I was unguarded and he caught me scumming it up.
What tells me you aren't trying to sort him is that you aren't proactively trying to do that, you only do it after the fact. I said your votes don't make sense on Tchill when you weren't being very direct with him, you only gave a meta example and that's it.
#878
1. The thing is, you don't specify who exactly you have a problem with on the Marquis wagon, it's a general statement. Here is the link
#121 You also don't give a read on Marquis. It's easy to talk about the wagon but you don't commit to a read on Marquis or anyone on the wagon. Just reads as something you said to seem town, that is all.
2. I bring that up because it seems like you are setting up the opportunity to vote Marquis when he doesn't show up. I don't know why you consider voting him if you didn't like his wagon taking speed originally.
3. I can understand having a hard time gaining reads in the early game, that happens to me sometimes too, yet eventually I find leads and build off them. You haven't really been doing that. Can I have your updated full reads list?
4. Isn't your read on CES black and white, in that you find him null-town simply for being unique? Anyway, it just seems odd that that is the only thing you do say about Chill, and when you vote him, twice, it's without reason. It's fine to give meta but that is all you do here, you don't talk about his play at all, when others have.
5. You can't read scum simply by lurking, though. That's why you pressure them to talk, or wait for a replacement. (Or lynch them, but already stated it's better to do that D2) Correct approach is to vote suspicious players, example would be Tchill who looked suspicious, and had been playing and posting in other games besides this one. I didn't say leave it unattended, I said leave it for D2 and I gave a good reason for why that should be.
6. Since I'm town I know I'd care to finish a conversation to understand the person's mindset, not simply attack them. I'm asking myself if you not responding to Shea in that case is either town motivated or scum motivated, and I lean towards scum motivated because town would try to come to an understanding while scum will simply want to shade, which is what it seems like you were doing.
7. My apologies, that and Splatoon 2 is the only things I can think of when it comes to teams. Even Smash Bros teams. Any team, there is no 'I in team', is what I'm focusing on. I find it odd, but I'm going to drop this point. I can't really read you based on that, but I want to know if they have said anything since then?
8. I don't get why you say you play that way, and then don't actually do it.
9. I already explained why I feel your omgus comes from a scum mindset over a town one, above.
