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[Chumba]

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

all of this is false. I literally just completed a game where the town doctor was threatened with a lynch and was lynched and he didn't do any of those things.

what people have told me over and over again on my other accounts and I never really listened applies here.

Not everyone is going to play the way you expect them to. Just because somebody plays different to your expectations doesn't make them scum.

nothing hws is alignment indicative and if you say it is you are lying.

[profii]

I just re-read the HWS/NK interaction to try and make a bit of sense about it. Some good stuff has actually come out of it:

HWS claimed VT - I am a believer that it's not the worst thing in the world to lose a VT on day 1 - that is on the basis that we know not a lot right now and if we are going to miss scum then I'd rather lose VT than a PR. I'm not sure if that is accepted site-meta but I certainly attest to it. Obviously, killing scum is the best outcome but it's understandably difficult on day 1.

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.


Now most of us in this game saw what Havo did in the last one, there has also been warnings in the thread regarding quick hammers. Tchill put HWS at L-1 quietly, NK15 did it on the basis he didn't like HWS' response to the pressure. I don't like either of these actions.


So looking at the people on the vote, maybe we are looking at a mislynch so scum is likely to be involved. Where might that be:

Curiously, eth0s was involved in RVS. He then voted Sheep for voting HWS (HWS could vote for my pun- but didn't) and jumped in an explained it. seems to early to think about chainsaws, but it does stand out.

The rest of the wagon was an RVS wagon quite early. So eth0s has some questionable actions and TChill and NK15 have some wreckless votes that may cause a lynch.

I'm happy with my vote on TChill, could be talked into voting NK15 very very easily.

[Not Known 15]

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

all of this is false. I literally just completed a game where the town doctor was threatened with a lynch and was lynched and he didn't do any of those things.

what people have told me over and over again on my other accounts and I never really listened applies here.

Not everyone is going to play the way you expect them to. Just because somebody plays different to your expectations doesn't make them scum.

nothing hws is alignment indicative and if you say it is you are lying.

I said town is supposed to.
If HWS is someone like Not Mafia(the player that didnt claim 2-shot doc in your last game, not cooperative, badly readable, and otherwise anti-town(and also not really interested into winning and partipiciating positively))

then I see no reason not to lynch them Day 1. After all, you don't want to have such players in LYLO anyways, and they wont catch the nightkill unless they are a power role, and HWS claimed vanilla

. So yes, they could be:
scum that tried to fake calmness
A Vanilla Townie with an anti-town playstyle
Scum with an anti-town playstyle.
That's a good reason to lynch them Day 1.

[Chumba]

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Exactly. VTs don’t care if they are lynched.

He’s either actually a Vt or he’s scum claiming one and we have nothing so far to say which is which.

[Chumba]

I’m not down for a policy lynch. You are scummy for endorsing it. Vote stays for now.

[profii]

VOTE: Not Known 15

I think a wagon here is appropriate at this stage. If people go with my point that tchill did the same thing as him without making a song and dance around it, I'll vote there too.

[Chumba]

It’s early day 1. I’m going to scum hunt instead of policy lynch somebody who didn’t react the way you wanted him to. That’s why I hate reaction tests. People don’t know how to gauge reactions accurately.

[Chumba]

I mean the game hasn’t even been open 2 irl days yet and you are ready to lynch the first wagon that formed. An rvs wagon because he didn’t get mad?

I see less town motivation in your actions over his. It’s too early to tell if he’s scum or town and it’s definitely too early to tell if his play is going to be a liability if he is town.

[Not Known 15]

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Exactly. VTs don’t care if they are lynched.

He’s either actually a Vt or he’s scum claiming one and we have nothing so far to say which is which.

So I disagree with NK15's point that town should be angry about lynch pressure at this stage - if you are claiming VT.

Yes, it is reasonable to assume that vanilla townies are not angry about people wanting to bring someone at L-1.
But that is not all what happened. Someone told everyone of us that they would

quickhammer

them. Worse, they told us that they were fully content with quicklynching them based on zero actual scumreads. That should normally gain a stronger reaction than what happened.
But what is more damning is the total lack of useful partipiciation by HWS. All what we have is defense, fluff, RVS... but no case on anyone else, except Havo, right after I called them on not producing reads, and that one

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

.

[Not Known 15]

I mean the game hasn’t even been open 2 irl days yet and you are ready to lynch the first wagon that formed. An rvs wagon because he didn’t get mad?

I see less town motivation in your actions over his. It’s too early to tell if he’s scum or town and it’s definitely too early to tell if his play is going to be a liability if he is town.

This is a misinterpretation.
If their calmness would have been the ONLY reason for a scumread, that would have been not enough; I would NOT have put the vote back.
But they also were not producing reads in spotlight.

[Chumba]

Idk what your obsession with bolding things is all about but it’s not really necessary. I can read your posts without the added emphasis.

I’m not worried about how useless hws has been. Hell I haven’t been useful up until about 2 hours ago myself.

Not everyone plays the way you want or expect them to and I’m not fine lynching somebody who doesn’t fit your interpretation. I’d rather lynch you for your unrealistic expectations

[Chumba]

But they also were not producing reads in spotlight.

Da fuck kind of reads do you expect on page 3/4?

Get out of here with that shit

[Not Known 15]

in what way

what is town supposed to say

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

There's almost nothing to go on for me imo aside from a few random votes and Havo's weirdish suspicion. And I'd honestly be irritated if anyone were to get hammered this quickly.

I don't see why I wouldn't be contributing postively. Are the people random voting me doing so? You asked me 3 questions and I answered them.

And if that isn't enough for you:
Look at my post, and then the next post of HWS directly following.
I call them out on not having reads...
and then they

quickly write this badly researched BS about Havo

. This is clearly a panic reaction, and totally in disconnect with their previous behaviour.

[Chumba]

i'm done with you for now, your arguments fall flat and I just find myself finding you scummier and scummier. Hopefully hws plays better but right now he is null. Nothing you have provided has convinced me your scum read on him is legitimate, it's basically a policy lynch push which I could definitely see coming from scum. If you aren't scum do better but for now I like my vote on you and I will end this discussion.

i'll be back later, busy day today

[profii]

It's funny that you are calling calmness a scum tell then randomly using bold and caps etc.


I don't see his Havo read as a problem - declaring a quick lynch is odd and town are unlikely to do the logical thing and treat L-2 as L-1 to safeguard. Some people are not online all the time or have the time to read every thread carefully straight away so give the guy time.

[Not Known 15]

randomly using bold and caps

The bold parts aren't random. They are important sections.

[Chumba]

I don't see his Havo read as a problem - declaring a quick lynch is odd and town are unlikely to do the logical thing and treat L-2 as L-1 to safeguard. Some people are not online all the time or have the time to read every thread carefully straight away so give the guy time.

my god, are you scum? normally you and I disagree when you are town and now you and i are agreeing with each other.

[profii]

but you have no concern over how I interpret HWS' read on Havo.

Way to only care about your own appearance


pedit: chumba.... I was thinking the same thing... I fear I am becoming compliant with site meta in a mere 4 or so games.

[profii]

It’s early day 1. I’m going to scum hunt instead of policy lynch somebody who didn’t react the way you wanted him to. That’s why I hate reaction tests. People don’t know how to gauge reactions accurately.

I nearly quoted this earlier and posted I've made this mistake so this is good advice but it just seemed weird to be so agreeable with you

[schadd_]

profii looks town

[Havo]

I don’t know about this. I can almost see a townbloc forming here. Lol.

But man some of you can be such sneaky bastards.

[Chickadee]

I don’t know about this. I can almost see a townbloc forming here. Lol.

But man some of you can be such sneaky bastards.

Don't have a heart attack over it. Townblocks can be good things.

[Havo]

I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

Over aggressive very early. Yes.

[Havo]

I don’t know about this. I can almost see a townbloc forming here. Lol.

But man some of you can be such sneaky bastards.

Don't have a heart attack over it. Townblocks can be good things.

I think the use of heart attack is a bit much? No? Lol.

[Havo]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?