Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Something_Smart]

That said... I do believe RC expected that wagon to fail.

Because I believe that at that point the scumteam (including mastina) was expecting mastina to be lynched.

[Katyusha]

Of course it was going to fail, voting for someone besides chesskid/mastina yesterday meant knowing it wasn't going to lead to a lynch

pedit: right, or plausibly chesskid > mastina but it's the same thing

[Katyusha]

chesskid effectively had a cop guilty, scumteam would naturally treat it as such

[Something_Smart]

After looking up RC's vote on GL it was actually earlier than I remember so MAYBE what I said wasn't true at that point.

Fwiw though, RC spent a lot of the day pushing against the idea that we needed to lynch within chesskid and mastina. Though that doesn't really tell us much as the motivation for that was obvious...

[Something_Smart]

Rereading from that point (2513) is actually really interesting and potentially revealing. I'd recommend it especially for people who are good at wagon analysis.

[vonflare]

today we lynch RC, and whoever we give the vengeful to we lynch in lylo (if we get there).

that's the optimal play.

[Katyusha]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

[Katyusha]

So it’s better to use it now as a vig to get out of evens

[vonflare]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

I mean we could avoid that if we no-lynch when there's 6 players left, which is the same as no-lynching in mylo but without the drawbacks

[Something_Smart]

Actually it depends on beeboy's clarification. If it works today, it's better to lynch whoever we give it to and let them venge RC since we get the flips one at a time instead of none followed by two.

[Something_Smart]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

I mean we could avoid that if we no-lynch when there's 6 players left, which is the same as no-lynching in mylo but without the drawbacks

what you talking about? if we get to MYLO with the venge alive we lynch them...

[vonflare]

Actually it depends on beeboy's clarification. If it works today, it's better to lynch whoever we give it to and let them venge RC since we get the flips one at a time instead of none followed by two.

yeah this could work too

honestly we're just waiting for mod clarification at this point

[vonflare]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

I mean we could avoid that if we no-lynch when there's 6 players left, which is the same as no-lynching in mylo but without the drawbacks

what you talking about? if we get to MYLO with the venge alive we lynch them...

yeah, obviously. but the point im trying to make is that going into 4p mylo is a lot worse than going into 3p lylo

[Aneninen]

Anyway, pending mod explanation I think I like GuiltyLion's plan for today - we elect then lynch a scumread, have them venge RC if town, and move on. This just means we get info faster which is the whole point.

Not a good idea. As long as RC's alive the scum can plan things together. For example, RC could dig up silly posts from townies, post them via Scum PT and his buddy can throw them in the chat. (His buddy can do the same, obviously, but with RC alive they have twice the time and energy for it!)

Rereading from that point (2513) is actually really interesting and potentially revealing. I'd recommend it especially for people who are good at wagon analysis.

It topped with 5 Votes. BigYoshiFan jumped off first. I guess Katyusha next.

today we lynch RC, and whoever we give the vengeful to we lynch in lylo (if we get there).

The Invention doesn't work at LyLo.

[vonflare]

oh

[vonflare]

oh

[Katyusha]

Rc’s dying today either way Anen so I don’t really see that as an issue


Pending mod clarification obv

[Something_Smart]

It topped with 5 Votes. BigYoshiFan jumped off first. I guess Katyusha next.

Relevant is that BYF jumped off in his next post after jumping on. That would be such a weird move as scum especially since he jumped on with the justification "let's see where it goes" and Reck joined soon after that so there was clearly at least a little momentum there.

All this is making me like BYF more and GL less. I still don't see how BYF is obvtown though Katyusha, if you'd like to enlighten me...

[Katyusha]

I find townreads like this one are hard to articulate

His opposition to chesskid was like transparently town to me, didn’t feel motivated by being partnered by Mastina or RC and I feel like his back-and-forth with rc was town indicative i guess

Transition to Mastina made sense as well

[Katyusha]

I’m at

{Creature} - Creature
{BYF, SS, singer, VF, Anen, smocaine} - Very Confidently Town
{EP, GL} - PoE not-as-town
{Ghostlin} - Scum

fwiw

We just get ep/gl/ghostlin in any order and win, if not i’m reevaluating and will probably take the deads’ reads into consideration

[singersigner]

I'll be honest, I'm not great at the whole strategic planning thing so I'm waiting for that to be flushed out before I make myself look like an idiot. >_>

I agree with Aneninen that two scum heads are better than one so leaving RC alive at this point really only benefits scum. He needs to be the lynch for today.

I have been catching up on a lot this week since my entire family got for sick the day I replaced in...I probably should've paid more attention to them instead of this game, lol. But will make it a priority to look through mastina and RC.

[Katyusha]

singer lmk how you feel about Ghostlin/Hinduragi slot when you do

also GL's plan should lead to killing RC today, just by venge rather than by lynch. at worst the main difference is that they get real time interaction for planning today's ML rather than RC giving ideas for a long term plan so I don't know if it's really that big of a difference?

We should prioritize getting flips as fast as possible IMO

[Katyusha]

like even if we do lynch rc they can still use that time while we decide on the elect to plan the same way

rc dies today regardless

[Ghostlin]

* = This readlist is the first thing that makes me wonder whether my original hypothesis – scum didn't bus – is wrong. Could it be that Mastina was townreading all of her buddies?

So this paints a larger noose on me but fuck it: mastina hates bussing, generally. The only time I've seen her do it was during XP mafia where she essentially power tunnelled gerryoat the entire game. That being said, I would implore Town to look at mastina's scum reads, particularly the ones she's declared but never got around to voting.

[vonflare]

I feel like scum would be less inclined to bus in a high-stakes game like this one