Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Mathdino]

Thanks Bulba, that helps a lot. Did mastina make any comments with respect to this game after the playerlists were finalised? Or was that all pre-game talk?

I can tell you straight up if we had rolled a scum pm I would have not wanted to take it. We didn't regardless which is good because none of us wanted it. Probably would've given it to Transcend tbh

That said, that means little. I chose this game because normal, I like setup speccing in normals, and I think I can mod meta mhsmith setups at least a little better than Ether because I know from theory discussions mhsmith has a similar sense of balance as me.

I would take scum if we rolled scum (lol we all rolled town I stg not that you know that) if we valued winning over everything because I have a significantly better scum wr than my team afaik, but I wouldn't if we were playing more socially and for fun.

When you get the chance, I'd like mastina's thoughts on these posts. Isolated. Please don't let her catch up in full before addressing our early game setup spec.

[Bulbazak]

@Math: That was said a few hours ago. Like a said, most of it was for another game, but there was enough general stuff there that I found useful.

I'll post that for her to look at.

[Mathdino]

Off topic, I genuinely wonder where she got the idea that I prefer town. Like, she's right, and I wasn't going to go waving that around on a banner (fuck self-meta), but I also have no scum meta for her to even determine that.

Could be that she noticed how much I like being right

[Bulbazak]

I would still like someone with Elena experience to explain that scumread to me.

[Elena Fisher]

I told my team this and my feelings haven't really changed. I feel quite drained from this game from what I do see normally I don't mind wall posts like this but I don't feel like much is getting done from these said wall posts etc I'm just waiting for fitz to flip at this point and the game to reset/move on from there thankfully

[Elena Fisher]

I would still like someone with Elena experience to explain that scumread to me.

The only player who has had experience with this account is RC and fitz I believe.

[Bulbazak]

@Math: You still haven't told me what information a Fitz flip gives us on Elena or Bins. I could also say "or the other people off the wagon", but I think you're misunderstanding some simple facts about the Fitz wagon regardless of his alignment.

[Mathdino]

fitz scumflip implicates Bins and MIGHT townclear Elena depending on what we think of some of those interactions.

fitz townflip much more weakly implicates Bins (and to be more precise it implicates Bins/Titus with the Bins bus) and also leads me back to Elena-scum.

Brb gonna check last page because I definitely forgot to respond to stuff.

[Bulbazak]

Weak on Bins. Interested on where you're coming from on Elena.

[Elena Fisher]

Math thinks I'm scum because I called one of his main arguments stupid. (and it is)

[Bins]

everything implicates me

[Mathdino]

Holdover from an early/midgame read that I haven't really had to defend or analyse much lately. Off the top of my head (so without actually doing a real case):

1. Everyone knows she's the most likely to pick scum on her team. And she was the most vocal in shutting down the Choose Your Side Meta discussions. Both Eddie and LLD handled this more gracefully.
2. Sheeping KMD, who thinks Elena is definitely scum if Eddie flips scum. She's second on KMD's lynchlist below LLDslot.
3. Sheeping Keychain (potentially assisted by Raybells?).
4. Buddied up to town-T-Bone in the process of discrediting me.
5. Has consistently attempted to lessen the amount of information at town's disposal. Similar to my issues with Radja, fitz, and T-Bone. T-Bone is more a philosophical difference though.

I THINK GuiltyLion/NSG also scumread her but I'd have to check the Discord for that.

If you want more or if you want me to actually write a case on her (keep in mind I have no Elena meta) lemme know. I just don't see the point when deadline is so close. I tried getting votes on her before and it didn't work then, so.

[Bulbazak]

I had a town read on her for awhile before wondering if it was warranted. I know a lot of people were reading her as scum for meta reasons, but I haven't really gotten much of a response when I asked about it.

[Bulbazak]

That by itself makes me a bit nervous.

[Elena Fisher]

Everyone knows she's the most likely to pick scum on her team

This is false and the more you keep trying to act like it's true looks worse on you

And she was the most vocal in shutting down the Choose Your Side Meta discussions.

Because this topic is outright pointless and I won't go into more detail on it unless requested

Buddied up to town-T-Bone in the process of discrediting me.

Yes I buddy as town and scum I love having someone I can bounce stuff off who I tr and is making logical sense (in this case T-bone)

Has consistently attempted to lessen the amount of information at town's disposal.

Give examples? I have no idea what you're talking about this is outright a lie

[Bulbazak]

Everyone knows she's the most likely to pick scum on her team

This is false and the more you keep trying to act like it's true looks worse on you

Mastina backs Math up on this one.

[Elena Fisher]

People who say "Elena would pick scum on her team" is outright wrong do you see my team? 2 of my teammates strongly pref scum (Gerry and Dunn) and I would've given it to them but we got all town so.
Pedit: Mastina is wrong.

[Mathdino]

I actually don't remember anyone scumreading her for meta reasons. I know I'm not, and I don't think KMD mentioned experience with her.

Unless it's Bins that did that, in which case, #EverythingImplicatesBins.

Feel free to defend Elena town for me. No one in this game has actually tried to engage me on disproving my reads. I'm open to cases.

Edit: The more Elena reacts to my bringing it up the worse it gets. See Eddie, LLD, and A50 for townish ways to respond to that argument. LLD is still scum but she's also just really good at scum.

[Elena Fisher]

I will argue and fight this stupid meta argument tooth and nail

[Mathdino]

Give examples? I have no idea what you're talking about this is outright a lie

Sorry, we've had this discussion already. It's somewhere in my ISO and if Bulba's interested he can find it.

I'm not 1v1ing you with a day left on the deadline. It's just noise. We scumread each other, etc etc, we'll work it out tomorrow if we're both alive.

[Almost50]

I would still like someone with Elena experience to explain that scumread to me.

The only player who has had experience with this account is RC and fitz I believe.

I played with you before. I'm not bothered to go check the exact game, but -off the top of my head- it was either when I was a Scum Goon who fake claimed Town JK on D2, one the one where I was Town Cowardly Hider.

P.S. Hey guys! Check this out: A40 just admitted he fake claimed as Scum (you need to ignore the part where it says "on D2" bc that won't serve your argument).

[Elena Fisher]

Don't worry Math if I ever die in this game I will make sure you're next just because I can't get you lynched today doesn't mean I can't get you lynched tomorrow. You're just very...loud you don't want to figure me out you're just sheeping you're not game solving you're asking for stuff from other players you're so confident I'm scum when you can't even case me. you're on the wagon that is my main sr and has been all game with me and this doesn't worry you? At all? No if you were town you'd step back go "wait a minute" but you can't do that because you've locked your into this

[Bulbazak]

@Math: I don't need to find it. I remember it plain enough. It's why I initially scum read Elena before changing my mind when she jumped off LLD.

[Elena Fisher]

Give examples? I have no idea what you're talking about this is outright a lie

Sorry, we've had this discussion already. It's somewhere in my ISO and if Bulba's interested he can find it.

I'm not 1v1ing you with a day left on the deadline. It's just noise. We scumread each other, etc etc, we'll work it out tomorrow if we're both alive.

k you're scum I've openly given you chances to show why I'm scum or give examples but you won't do it.

My team thinks your town so I thought I'd give this a chance but nope they can't say I didn't try now. You're just so infuriating I hate players like you sweet jesus

[Almost50]

everything implicates me

You're not even trying to fight back (not in a townie!You way, that is).