Rocky Horror Picture Show - players suck, game over

[Creature]

Maybe the biggest problem is that it could count as an encrypted/hidden message.

[northsidegal]

Varsoon had a pretty good argument against voice messages in the last game i played with him. they're probably a bad idea.

[Creature]

Which game?

[northsidegal]

Tarot upick.

[Lifthrasil]

Holy shit a new guy talking.

And an old player not answering to the questions of the new guy.

[JaydragonKing]

Well that may just be them as seniors with hard-hearing. You'll get used to it.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i'm pretty convinced that the cl's have probably picked their recruits by now, most likely before we even began this wagon shenanigans 10 pages ago or so, so I think we should just run up someone we think is a) a good person to immunize but also b) hopefully also not an obvious cl or recruitment target.

hard pass category:

cerberus
varsoon
inferno
gamma
boonskies
porkens
creature
dunker

maybe category

chickadee
vecna

sexy category:

me
almost50
jaydragon
snarkysnowman

I think

Almost50

is our best immunisation target

discuss

VOTE: Almost50
We have no data and nothing to go off of.
Can we realize that there's no chance I'll be recruited so y'all can treat me as conftown.

[TheGoldenParadox]

where am I in the list

[TheGoldenParadox]

legit I don't think the neutrals can get in trouble for playing against wincon
there's no wincon in role pms
so you can play to get recruited or whatever

[Venmar]

Well that may just be them as seniors with hard-hearing. You'll get used to it.

[drealmerz7]

IMMUNITY VOTE #1

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Almost50 - 9 - Venmar, Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, Varsoon, Nancy Drew 39, Ms Columbo, Creature, Lifthrasil, TheGoldenParadox,

Cerberus v666 - 4 - Srceenplay, Vecna, mutantdevle, Chickadee,

Chickadee - 2 - Cerberus v666, JaydragonKing,

Varsoon - 2 - Boonskiies, Porkens,

Gamma Emerald - 1 - SnarkySnowman,

Nancy Drew 39 - 1 - Almost50,

JaydragonKing - 1 - CheekyTeeky,


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it currently takes 13 votes on 1 player to attempt to make them immune to recruitment

if I have your vote in the wrong spot please let me know via PM

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Almost50

I just want this cycle to be over already.

[Varsoon]

Would've been fun rn.

Just gonna copy a lot of what I recently wrote in Tarot U-Pick:

I would prefer that you don't leave voice or video messages. While I personally do enjoy them, they present a serious issue for the forum-based mafia game.
Moderators, for instance, are required to listen to/watch the entirety of every one, to ensure it does not contain any game-breaking content or rules-breaking content.
Other players can not outright quote the material without first listening to it, either.
Video and audio files are uploaded on external servers, which means they may be taken down at any point for any reason, which means some players may have access to info other do not.
Watching/listening takes time to do and also can not be done on all devices.

There's just a lot of issues with using anything but text. Images are even a bit a problem, given the multiple avenues for breaking the game that they present, though they're generally more accepted on-site.

On Images:

Spoiler:

While most images are just uploaded in a joking context, images can also be uploaded with actual game-relevant content readily present in them. In that case, it causes a problem because the images are not hosted on mafiascum and, ergo, if they are taken down from wherever they are hosted, they will no longer be available for all players to view.

Beyond that, though, lots of information can be hidden in an image's file information--it's a form of encrypting information that's against site rules if you do intentionally include game-relevant info in an image's file info, though.

Another thing that comes to mind is when images are a part of a player's personal file sharing folder; this means that any player can follow the image back to its respective imgur or photobucket or whatever folder (provided it's public access) and be able to view other images in that folder, which, of course, can be exploited. There was a game where the mod made images for each user's role PM, but titled the images with the players' names. One curious player simply retitled the image URL with a different player's name and discovered that other player's rolecard image. So, even innocuous things like that can lead to serious issues for a game.

For the most part, though, players tend to use images much less as a content delivery system and it's against site rules to encrypt data, so images almost always fall on the safe side. However, videos/recordings that players themselves make are typically intended as content delivery, so they run risks of causing game issues by design.

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao that was some busted shit the guy pulled off with the rolecard image
but yeah, good points

[Varsoon]

In my 'Varsoon Mafia' game, which was bastard, I actively encouraged one player to hide a ton of info in pictures he uploaded, as he was affecting a picture only post-restriction.

[Venmar]

pictures and gifs are A-O-K

[Lifthrasil]

pictures and gifs are A-O-K

What's that about one of the German health insurances? ( http://aok.de )

[mutantdevle]

I don't get why people are complaining that the plan of running someone up high to lure the recruitment to them and then all unvoting so that our immunisation actually goes through on whoever we target next is such a bad idea. [Snip]

Overall, the whole process is WIFOM.

You answered your own query there, homeboy.

Who do you think wins the WIFOM gambit--2 players who can submit an action at literally any time or those two players mixed into the rest of us, who are openly discussing if we're gonna pull out or not?

It's pointless and, if the game, by design, requires us to use voting exploitation to win, then it's a fool's errand from the start.

The WIFOM gambit isn't about winning anything. Doing this may well in most occasions achieve nothing, but the WIFOM works more in our favour as at least implements doubt. We don't lose anything from it, but there is a chance we can gain from it, not a high chance, but it's better than nothing. We're obviously not going to find any game breaking plans, I don't know why you'd be expecting that. I don't get why your attitude is that if it doesn't make a major difference then we shouldn't do it. Most of us will spend this game having no idea and no power to what's going on, but that doesn't mean we should just give up in trying anything. Any small amount of power we have we should hold onto to try and maximise my play.

[mutantdevle]

VOTE: Almost50

He is one of the players making the most effort to help us cult leader hunt so ofc it would be useful to keep him that way :3

[mutantdevle]

"not virgin" =/= "immune,"

I thought this would be obvious? Like the signup thread specifically states that not everyone will know if they are recruitable or not. There's also a 2nd standard role card that isn't titled virgin. But for those of us with role cards that specifically state we can be recruited by both cults, it's safe to assume we are not immune due to there supposedly being no mod lies.

[mutantdevle]

also btw i wasn't unrecruitable before i just lied to see if people would believe me or not

LYNCH ALL LIARS!!! Oh wait...

I think all of us believed you which makes as quite gullible I guess. At least it means we should be more vigilant to try and spot future lies though.

[mutantdevle]

Also, if dunk and creature did not perform their immunization, then it likely means a third party decided they were unlikely to be cult leaders or culted. Meh. I don't think it warrants any more consideration until someone claims what they did and explains it.

My main question isn't about who did it or why they would choose those 2, my main question is why would such action resolve before the end of the cycle? It makes me wonder if the cycle has already happened and we just don't get told about it with votes carrying over but I doubt that's the case. I guess it could also be a sign that the cult leaders have already made their recruitments by suggesting the immunisation doesn't matter if it happens now or at the end of the cycle. The most obvious answer though is simply that whoever immunised them can activate their ability regardless of cycle state, in which case whoever that is should probably be using their ability as soon as possible each day to reduce who the cults can immunise.

Slightly related: I do feel like the clan leaders would have made the recruitments by now. Unless their intention is to REALLY screw over town by blocking our immunisation, but as A50 said, I feel like they would be more focused on getting strong players on their team/players they know they can work well with.

[mutantdevle]

i thought there was no town tho?

Well suck it up because you are 'town' now. If you are immune to recruitments then you are stuck as the survivor faction and hence must work with the rest of us if you want any chance of winning.

[JaydragonKing]

also btw i wasn't unrecruitable before i just lied to see if people would believe me or not

LYNCH ALL LIARS!!! Oh wait...

I think

all of us

believed you which makes as quite gullible I guess. At least it means we should be more vigilant to try and spot future lies though.

We all believed him? Oh geez, I guess I did too. And so did whoever converted him. And so did the Moderator. And Mith himself.

[mutantdevle]

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