Mini 1975: A Village in the Woods (Game Over!)

[drealmerz7]

Mafia are slightly more likely to be aware of rule 11 than town since they have chat with other scum..

how do you know scum have been able to chat with each other yet?

FoS!

[drealmerz7]

hmmm, I think thinking looking at the rules one way or another is not AI at all and found joey's spiel about it a bit contrived (pulled out of his bummm!)

think it is silly to contemplate at all, and more than anything just indicates that people need to READ THE RULES more ( :

[drealmerz7]

to even try and read that much into someone reading the rules or not and who would be more likley or not, based on absolutely nothing (not knowing the actual people involved or anything) - seemed to me that it can't be anything but contrived speculation to make it look like you're doing something

seems ridiculous to do

[drealmerz7]

I'm saying the speculations don't feel genuine, that you contrived them when asked to make it seem like you had something to say, because you think that looks town, and to me that is something scum do, not town, especially if you actually think it's not relevant, it's just noise if you think it is not relevant but then go on and on about it, regardless if someone asked you, I think it is more likely town to go "uh what? why are you asking that it's pointless" or somesuch

but the base of my suspicion is definitely coming from the overall aspect of how you did it, not THAT you did it, to back it off into that sort of generalized stance is no good, another player might have speculated on it ad-nauseum and in their specific case it might have come across to me as "ohgeez that is likely a towny just going off on some pointless crap", but that is not it was for you, for you, it was like you were trying to appear to be that, consciously, contrived

clearer?

[drealmerz7]

to even try and read that much into someone reading the rules or not and who would be more likley or not, based on absolutely nothing (not knowing the actual people involved or anything) - seemed to me that it can't be anything but contrived speculation to make it look like you're doing something

seems ridiculous to do

Funny considering you fos Hopkirk for Nai daychat shit

why is that funny considering that? I don't follow at all

[drealmerz7]

it's way less the what and much more the how

[drealmerz7]

I SR raya too

[drealmerz7]

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*grinding noises*

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VOTE: Raya36

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: dreal

BZZZZ

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[drealmerz7]

BZZZZ

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[drealmerz7]

^ dingding

[drealmerz7]

He has literally doen nothing town all game.

ALL GAME?!?!?

it's D1, just because you don't TR me doesn't mean you should SR me

how am I vig bait for playing this way on a D1? anyone who shoots me for this is fucking terrible

[drealmerz7]

In his scum game, drealmerz was confident. He asserted himself and made strong cases and was almost presenting his opinion as fact. As a result, he was heavily manipulating town who lost the game. I feel kinda responsible for that town loss since if I hadn't have forgotten to crumb then my death would have caused drealmerz to be lynched day 2. But my point is, he was a lot different as scum. He wasn't just active, he was confident in everything he was doing which made him look like the most genuine player there. Here, he isn't like that at all. He's shitposting and just barely scum hunting. He is definitely acting laid back this game and is having fun with his posts rather than trying to solve the game. My interpretation of drealmerz's internet persona leads me to believe that this is exactly the kind of thing he would do as town.

I can tell you right now this is all kinds of bad. How I play is not AI, INHERENTLY, I mix it up depending on my mood, role, game, playerlist, etc.

but I do tend to have more enthusiasm for playing scum than town, and that is more what you're getting from me this game: "okay town AGAIN, blahhh)

the wolf blitz game was the first time I'd gotten groupscum since MARCH (does that even count as rolling groupscum? being a sleeper agent?), so I was excited to do some fuckage (:

[drealmerz7]

so you're kind of right for this instance but also I gotta tell you that it's not always like that

[drealmerz7]

You have done nothing this phase. If you continue to do nothing Town will either be forced to lynch you because we can't take you to LYLO or for the fact you might be literally coasting scum.

This is why you're vig bait. That would be the reason you would wake up dead in a Day phase because scum literally do not have any reason to shoot you ever based on Day 1's play.

I don't think it's optimal to p-lynch you, but I'm completely not sold you're Town. There's just no convincing case for Dreal- scum either.

-Ghost

and I'm saying vigging someone because they didn't come off as towny on D1 is fucking stupid

I'm not talking about the future of "if drealmer behaves this way still half way through D3" - and neither should you fucking be

[drealmerz7]

to even talk about policy lynching someone on D1 because you don't think they're playing towny on D1 is fucking stupid

[drealmerz7]

actually that gives me a SR on the ghostlin+pa slot

they know better than that

[drealmerz7]

anyone wanting to lynch me is bad or scum

[drealmerz7]

ibuki certainly hasn't struck me as bad

[drealmerz7]

how is it scummy?

[drealmerz7]

I've generated almost no content, to get a SR from that that makes someone comfortable lynching me / thinking I'm scum seems ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

no, I don't see how anyone has a read on my to a point where they think I'm scum so much they think I should be lynched

AT ALL

so much so that I can only conclude that those wanting to lynch me are either bad, or scum

not sure why me saying that is scummy, you are now saying it's not that that is scummy in itself but the forced and unnecessary is what is scummy?

what's forced about it? how is it unnecessary (ppl are talking about lynching me)

[drealmerz7]

so you're scum with moz, bins?

VOTE: mozamis

[drealmerz7]

Mutant/dreal kinda scumed the fuck up last 2 pages and albert is being irrelevant like always

you can't just say shit like this and then not elaborate

what the fuck ?

[drealmerz7]

You've spent a lot of time complaining about how all of us are treating you unfairly and admitting you're doing fuck all.

Do you have reads we can reference? Opinions on how people are interacting that aren't revolving around 'you can't scumread me because I'm doing fuck all?'

-Ghost

a lot of time? all of you?

nice scum post of hyperbole

[drealmerz7]

ummm that's not hyperbole and I explained the logic behind the statement

[drealmerz7]

@Dreal: What are your reads right now then?

at this point I think all that is useful to share is that I'm good with a moz or raya lynch and moz just should be the lynch because of how close we are

there's not even really time for a claim and consideration after it, I think we just need to lynch there, and there is not a single claim that would discourage me from it at this point

[drealmerz7]

doesn't mean it's too early for people to scum read you.

yes it does, there is not enough content to read me from

I am a hard read a lot of times when I do post content, so unless you've played 15 games with me you should not even be trying to sort me based on today's content, and to do so is simply either bad play or scum

[drealmerz7]

prots on mutant

[drealmerz7]

OMFG THAT IS NOT A CRUMB LYNCH THIS SHIT WITH HASTE

[drealmerz7]

why the fuck are you disappointed? disappointment signifies expectation, which you shouldn't have had any of me

[drealmerz7]

stfu

nice

[drealmerz7]

gj wd *clapclap*

[drealmerz7]

right cause a doc offers to self hammer

only if you're whemestar are you that bad

are you that bad? I don't think you're that bad ?

[drealmerz7]

what does that even mean?

[drealmerz7]

or was that meant for raya in your scumchat?

[drealmerz7]

what sense does that make?

what makes you say I'm obvious?

why didn't you answer 508?

[drealmerz7]

you just lynched the town doc dumb arse, think i'm gonna listen to you?

if you are actually town doc you are the dumbass!!!

if you're going to engage with me, engage with me, otherwise, stop engaging me with nonsense shit

[drealmerz7]

moz: *engages with drealmer*

drealmer: *engages with moz*

moz: *omg don't engage with me!*


omfg, you don't know how hippocrates is??????????

[drealmerz7]

who

[drealmerz7]

how is the doc claim legit because they gave you the name of hippocrates??!?!?!?!

omg I am tired of stupid players

[drealmerz7]

Is Hippocrates supposed to be well known then or something? Because I have literally never heard of him before.

probably something you should learn in like 5th grade...

[drealmerz7]

Is Hippocrates supposed to be well known then or something? Because I have literally never heard of him before.

probably something you should learn in like 5th grade...

Not everyone in the world is American...

?????????????????????

what does the super-continent one lives on have anything to do with this?

[drealmerz7]

you have done literally nothing all game

"literally"!?

"LITERALLY"?!?!?!?!?!?!


LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN

[drealmerz7]

this:

so now you post great

is about bins here:

i’m going to bed

sry but pls don’t pull this crumb if u r town

ALSO I HAVE NO FLAVOUR
can someone confirm if they have a name

VOTE: moz

w.e

pretty damn sure, at the least, that was scumbuddy hammer knowing their bud was doomed and was just giving up and trying for the towncred



oh and I have a solid hard guilty on bins

VOTE: bins

[drealmerz7]

the guilty is fake and he really shouldn’t continue it

not in the slightest, the guilty is real, I don't lie as town and I'm absolutely town

I don't understand what the confusion is and what needs clarifying

I can check and see if someone is guilty each night

I got a guilty on bins

it's not rocket science people

[drealmerz7]

oh, I think maybe people are confused because other players suck at playing a lot of times and say the word "guilty" when they're like a fucking tracker and tracked their target to the kill (which is NOT A GUILTY AT ALL EVER AND NO ONE SHOULD USE THE WORD GUILTY FOR THAT SORT OF RESULT)

the word guilty should only ever be used by a cop-type role who gets alignment results of a sort

so

I fucking hate village, honestly. You're all a bunch of miserable fucking trolls that I really can't stand. Eh, it's probably because I just don't like people. People suck. I used to be a detective, and I've studied people. I used to want to try and use that to better people, but all it did was show me even deeper layers of how much most people suck. I moved to this puny dinky little village to get away from as many people as possible and live a simpler life. HOnestly, my fellow villagers who die here probably fucking deserve it to some degree, but that doesn't mean some other stupid evil shits should get away with killing them, and I'd rather some useless shitty fuck people who are actually loyal to the village come out on top than some piece of shit crime element that has infiltrated, so I've decided to put my detective skills to use and find you fucks.

and guess what

I found out bins is guilty as fuck, without doubt

[drealmerz7]

assume the position of you having my role and getting my result on a player like I did on you

then someone comes and says what you have said to you

what do you do?

[drealmerz7]

I'm a detective

I can investigate and determine if someone is GUILTY or not - how many times I'm not going to say

I received a GUILTY on you

[drealmerz7]

I don't mean to not be claiming, I don't know what else you're expecting me to claim

[drealmerz7]

also what kind of person
in their post where they claim they have a guilty
also posts reasoning for why i’m scum??? makes no sense

hi, have we met? I'm drealmer *shakes hand* I'm not even close to normal

[drealmerz7]

not explicitly

it just says I'm a detective, goes in to my history with that a little

tells me I can help the town by investigating people and finding out if they are guilty or not

[drealmerz7]

you should full claim now bins, so it doesn't appear that you're 'working out' your claim when mutant shows up

tell us exactly what you expect mutant to say, etc.

[drealmerz7]

bins

assume the position of you having my role and getting my result on a player like I did on you

then someone comes and says what you have said to you

what do you do?

[drealmerz7]

Detective, do you live with anyone?

it doesn't say one way or the other but given my disposition (hating fucking everyone) - I doubt it!

[drealmerz7]

you have to tell us all of your inventions, bins, I think

at the least tell us what you gave mutant, and everything you know about it

[drealmerz7]

also i’m freaking weirded out because of this “guilty”/“not guilty” thing because my investigative i give tells straight out the alignment not guilty/not guilty and i don’t see how these two roles can just actually exist together

it makes more sense if there are more than 2 alignments

I'm definitely TOWN, and if there are more than 1 faction or groupscum and soloscum - it can make sense

[drealmerz7]

you don't have a name yourself?

nope, I have no name - I know we don't know each other so don't take what I'm saying as defensive at all, just informative

I know how to claim properly / not half assed, and in the best interests of town, very much so / more than a lot of people on MS who do claims terribly - I've given all information that I have that is needed to be shared, which would include a name at this point because who knows if we've got namecops or flavorcops or whatever else, so I've given all I have in order to verify that with anyone out there who might have info on me

[drealmerz7]

why did you pick to give what you did to mutant?

[drealmerz7]

I don't think there's a redirector, I just think I'm going to always get a guilty

my flavor indicates that I will always see something bad in people once I look deeply enough

I was hoping this would have played out differently, bins I believe you are town but I think you handled it not so great and we all did some damage, but hopefully can be okay still

You as town (which I do think you are), should have denied that you are scum, but not claimed so fast at all, and denied to claim anything when I pushed (which you did partially but not after already claiming too much already) - never claim until at L-1, imo, wait and see who believes what, and who pushes what, who asks what. It's a great way to draw out scum, and that is the goal, sure we don't want to blindly lynch a towny, but only scum wants to do that, so...yeh...anyway

oh well

NO ONE ELSE CLAIM SHIT PLEASE

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: bins

[drealmerz7]

my role is best utilized pushing on a lynch and seeing who bites before it gets shouted down by townies - townies should lay low and sell ambiguity and wait to see who bites and pushes bins as scum and who of them are scum

[drealmerz7]

I didn't quote anything

[drealmerz7]

it's a claim just like any claim in any game would be, but nothing is quoted

there is no rule about not flavor claiming, that'd be silly

[drealmerz7]

anyway, mods job to worry aobut those sorts of things, not yours

[drealmerz7]

You want your “reactions” but who isn’t going to vote a guilty? People were going to wait for Mutant.

that's why you should have never claimed giving something to mutant! or that you could give anything!

no fucking reason to claim anything at all like you did

[drealmerz7]

I don't think it's useful at all

[drealmerz7]

owwww

[drealmerz7]

the table is meaningless

holycrap duh

[drealmerz7]

thought I'd be back in action today after some days of personal stress...

but today something was wrong with my cat and I just spent all day with her and at the vet and I haven't eaten in 24 hrs so,

thanks for your patience ?

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: raya

[drealmerz7]

I haven't fully caught up yet, but what has you confused about my result, hopkirk?

[drealmerz7]

err not result, claim, damn I think I need to go back to bed

[drealmerz7]

Just that there's no resolution. It seemed to go from the main discussion to nobody referencing it really quickly.

it seems pretty resolved to me, my only beef has been how bins claimed so fast in the face of it but she's explained that reasonably/believably enough for the time being and I don't see what else there is to do but wait and see what else happens, and there are several things that could happen but I don't think it does any good to talk about them

[drealmerz7]

why does that make him town?

I'm totally good with a ghostlypenguin lynch, they're my 2nd choice

[drealmerz7]

why does that make him town?

I don't think scum would unnecessarily reveal they have a night action nor do I think they would defend bins if someone allegedly had a guilty on her. It would make sense if Bins was scum but she is confirmed town (at least she is to me) and irrefutably so.

none of this holds any sense to me

can't tell if you're bad or scum

[drealmerz7]

I didn't say I didn't understand

I said it doesn't hold any sense

a player revealing they have a night action or not isn't alignment indicative, especially in this instance

of course a scum player will/can defend someone they know to be town, even if someone else they know to be town comes up with a guilty on them

your posits are nonsensical

[drealmerz7]

Please explain Why would they defend their miss lynch target

who says that is their mislynch target??? this sounds like you're scum with ghostlypenguin

[drealmerz7]

I can't follow and don't have the energy to try

use quotes and directly reference wtf you are talking about pls - I never questioned people who are not voting ghostly, I never said scum would defend townghost

fuck this hurts my head

[drealmerz7]

You're not going to like our claim in the slightest

--PA

can you elaborate on this thought?

[drealmerz7]

and, forgive me for not being more attentive

where are you voting?

[drealmerz7]

intent

[drealmerz7]

I don't see how the slot posits the possibility of it being 10:3:1 if they're town

if it's 10:3:1 Ibuki is not scum-buds with mozamis and it doesn't make sense to go for 3p so why push that slot or hold that idea?

so much more likely to be 2 scum teams or GP is town - and they have the visit to a dead target going against them as well as a more disposable role if it is a true claim

[drealmerz7]

10:3:1 ?

ugh

you know what I mean

[drealmerz7]

which is really bad townplay if he is town

[drealmerz7]

wtf are you wagoning ibuki?

this is what I get for not rushing hammer and giving it some time so ppl can read ghostlypenguin's claim and talk about it?

fucking losers

[drealmerz7]

aye, ghostlin is just a decent lynch whereas others at this point will be shite lynches and non-informative

I think UCV, raya, and mutant are more likely scum than ghostly at this point, but ghostly certainly isn't ruled out any not even close to a townlean so...it's a good lynch

[drealmerz7]

do all of you who want ibuki think there are 2 scum teams or that ibuki was scum with moz or ibuki is 3p?

[drealmerz7]

PA, I'm only trying to read ghostlin

having watched your method of playing in Maplewood I have zero delusions into thinking I can read you based on how you are posting and am only looking for logical inconsistancies from your posts (which I don't figure you to slip up on anyway)

I don't hardly ever put stock in a line of thinking like "ghostlin was like this as town in this 1game and is not like that here so is more likely scum" or "ghostlin was like this as scum in this 1game and is like that here so they are more likely scum" - but that is actually the sense/thoughts I'm getting here with ghostlin

I was in a game where he was scum the same time he was in maplewood and I saw 2 very distinct abilities in playing (he's got a muuuuch stronger town game if I am only looking at those 2 examples) - what I'm seeing here with him I'd say is very likely scum if he were solo, but with your posting it's harder to discern and with me not really having been "with" the game much I'm hesitant to have any position of much confidence

my main thing with ibuki is that I'm not nearly convinced there are 2 scum teams, and I don't see any way ibuki is scum with moz

I think there could be a PGO, and the PGO might not even be explicitly told they are, (like in my maplewood game, perhaps their flavor is just highly suggestive that they're PGO)

I think there could be a 3p, and it could be ibuki, absolutely, but I don't care atm and after I suggested that idea their wagon built pretty fast and it just makes me think "ah, scum think they've figured the 3p and are trying to remove it"

[drealmerz7]

can you tell me why 2:2 makes more sense given flavor?

[drealmerz7]

I hate when ppl won't claim at L-1

[drealmerz7]

aye, ghostlin is just a decent lynch whereas others at this point will be shite lynches and non-informative

I think UCV, raya, and mutant are more likely scum than ghostly at this point, but ghostly certainly isn't ruled out any not even close to a townlean so...it's a good lynch

This is pretty god damn close to "I think GP's pretty close to null, because information reasons, I have other scum reads but I'm tempted to push this lynch anyway" which if I was actually honest-to-god scum reading you, would earn you a 'go fuck yourself' and a vote. The Ghostlin of a few years ago would of done exactly that. We have literally NO scum motivation to tell you all of this if we were scum killing Joey. If we were more transparent, our avatar would turn into just a fucking square. So I will tell you to 'go fuck yourself' and go play with our Town reads.

PA is also a very important part of this hydra and the whole 'you guys should know better' from us even mildly entertaining the fact of scum reading you and then your cavalier dismissal of her is insulting to both me and her, so you've earned two 'go fuck yourself's here. Also, you're literally letting ibuki go with 'there's no reason to scum read me' and not claiming at L-1. WHY. WHY ARE YOU FUCKING DOING THIS, DREAL? YOU SHOULD KNOW FUCKING BETTER. WHY IS TOWN DOING THIS?

--Ghost (and approved by PA via discord)

do you see me pushing your lynch though? I simply like to talk about possibilities sometimes - you're not a bad lynch as far as things go is where I was at, and it is usually quite hard to organize a good lynch this close to DL, so I was willing to go with it at a point - this is no longer true and I'm about to vote raya which is who I've wanted for a while

I didn't intend to cavalierly dismiss PA, not in the slightest, sorry it seemed like that

I'm not ignoring what she says in the slightest if that is what you thought I meant?

VOTE: Raya

[drealmerz7]

-readslist stuff -

-Ghost

ummm, what about mutant?

[drealmerz7]

to elaborate where I WAS at with you, ghostly, was yes, a nullish read with some scumish pings and seeing you as a decent lynch as far as information goes and a few +s for scum-potentiality

I much prefer other lynches, at this point my order is

raya
mutant
UCV
ibuki

[drealmerz7]

ok cool that's a wrap (OR A RAP)

hammer time (cue song)

[drealmerz7]

I'm willing to declare Ghostly Penguin as town at this point.

this doesn't make sense to me

The scumteam is probably {Dunker, Mutant}

why does mutant bus moz?

PoE says it's just you and ghostly isn't it?

[drealmerz7]

odds are that if we lynch ghostly > UCV > fern, we win

or am I loopy?

[drealmerz7]

I don't have a useful result, unfortunately (otherwise I'd have said it)

[drealmerz7]

when it comes to claiming or claiming results, I pretty much am going to do what I do and what I do is what I think is best for town so there is no use asking me more about something or prying or making an issue of me not complying with things others want to know about whatever or whatever else

when I say my result isn't useful, it means I've determined (as is my prerogative, duty even, when given a role as town) that sharing more is not in the interest of town

[drealmerz7]

eh, fern and UCV were pretty obviously the scums, the concede is *shrug*, understandable but not something I'd have done

I didn't get to read the moddump flavor yet, but I was liking what there was! I love flavor-based games, and had no issue with any of the ambiguity, hinting, operations of it all as far as I'm aware (it seems to have all been thought out ahead of time, that is what matters) - will play more from this mod no question!!

ohya, don't quote your PMs if you're not allowed to qoute PMs, though I think PM quoting maybe should have been allowed for this game? butya, even if there's no damage done, the rule has to be enforced because it's not a thing you can leave to discretion, it's all or none sort of thing

[drealmerz7]

pre-/in!

I love how you did things with the roles and setup and would agree that players tend to have poor attitudes in regards to their roles often and need to more realize they are a piece of a team and the mod has designed the game in a way (hopefully, if the mod is any good) that gives each role relevance/utility for helping town figure things out, even if it seems useless or is considered negative utility

this game had a lot of similarities to my maplewood village game and how I would like more games to be modded / people get a bit more used to playing things like it - because it's totally mafia with some great innovative-type things that really use the mafia model to a fuller potential

[drealmerz7]

they don't want it released? that is pathetic and horrible

mods should not allow players to dictate this sort of thing, it's part of the game

socrates, you need to be explicit that you will not share PTs in your game descriptions I will not play games that allows players to hide shit

[drealmerz7]

yeah, to me that is bogus

it is PART of the game, through and through, and all players should have access to it

don't do anything in your scumchat that you don't wany people to see

[drealmerz7]

all you're doing is saying "it's okay to behave like that, I'll protect you from being exposed for being a toxic crybaby" - that just perpetuates that sort of behavior in the future whereas if they were exposed they might shape up