Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: tchill

Do you have a reason for this vote other than sheeping profii?

[Jodaxq]

@Not Known, please explain to me why you think HWS has been anti-town. And don't say it's because he didn't have reads on page 3.

I was more speaking of the possible player mindset behind this calmness. An anti-town mindset(doesnt really care about winning the game and partipiciating) would be a possible explanation(which would also apply to town playing anti-town), or a scum perspective. That doesn't mean that HWS has to be playing anti-town.... they could simply be scum caught faking towniness.

I see what you're saying, but I think you stretched this way too far. You were comparing him to Not_Mafia in terms of anti-town play. Someone close to that level would have been obviously trolly.

[Jodaxq]

hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of

youre very inexperienced then

not really, that's just a really bad way to play the game

i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my back

I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, players

COULD

hold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.

Is this you advocating for a Havo policy lynch? I'm confused at this point of this post.

[Jodaxq]

I think it's definitely anti town but if you look at players (Havo and T) who have the same attitude towards it every game (or well - I assume they have?) I doubt it is really AI.

I think meta arguments aren't too strong normally.
Town may keep their earlier town game for obvious reasons.
Town may leave their earlier town game in case it didn't lead to good results.
Town may stay with their earlier scum game if it's their normal style.
Town may leave their earlier scum game because they play different as town.
Scum may keep to their earlier town game because it's hiding them and/or it's their playstyle.
Scum may leave their earlier town game if it made them look scummy.
Scum may keep their earlier scum game if it helped them win or do well.
Scum may ditch their earlier scum game if they got caught or were obvscum.

If that makes sense.

I feel that meta arguments are usually wobbly as either town or scum may have reason to stick to or leave previous meta. I have town meta on tchill and Havo and I wouldn't be able to solidly tell whether they're scum emulating their town play (albeit a small part of course) or town being themselves.

Obviously y'all could see this differently but I thought I'd throw these thoughts out there

So you have a town meta read on TChill and Havo but you spent an entire post saying that you don't think meta reads are all that strong? Why do feel the need to hedge your thoughts in this way?

[Jodaxq]

I'm townreading tchill because I want to.

What the.... no that is not a valid response to a questioned townread. It looks more like a post to hide that they are scum and have absolutely nothing to back up a made up townread. Probably they hope it will get lost after the day ends in my mislynch. Don't make that mistake. If you see my green flip, think about this at night.
VOTE: eth0s

I claim VT.

See I’m not going to get on that lynch. That eth0s post

was awful

Isn't this contradictory?

[Jodaxq]

NK15 - I’m glad you brought up counterwagons because I need to post a vote.

Now, I made a case against tchil which was pretty solid (if I do say so myself) except as TChil rightly pointed out, it was based on him putting a L-1 vote down which wasn’t the case

When I went through the case again, schadd laid down a vote without saying anything, so because I believe my case was awesome I took it as sheeping...

So then it transpired I was wrong- this makes tchil less scummy, but at the time my case looked strong- could schadd be thinking the wagon was going to take off so best to get in quietly to push along what we can now see is more likely to be a mislynch?

I could be being really arrogant because this is based on my own read / case etc so thought I’d put that to someone else to give an opinion

Profii doing a lot of justifying for his votes. Is this profii's scum game?

[Jodaxq]

d1 massclaim amirite

You've been rather reserved this game...

[schadd_]

i'm also okay with chick town

VOTE: tchill

Do you have a reason for this vote other than sheeping profii?

yeah kinda~

[Jodaxq]

d1 massclaim amirite

would like to ask that this doesnt end up happening

btw my nk townread was for his confidence
and his telling everyone remember that l-1 is a hammer
it felt much more newbtown than newbscum

Why do you consider Nk15 a newbie?

[Jodaxq]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?

[Jodaxq]

chumba is town
profii is town

chickadee is prolly town

VOTE: chumba

what happened

i didnt like the post before my vote

reads change

The "reads change" part comes across as pretty defensive.

[sheepsaysmeep]

im defending myself
try to make it sound not defensive

[Havo]

That's NK15 at 5 I think, another vote and Havo may likely hammer, think carefully from here on in

I feel like profii is being overly aware of this Havo hammering situation. It's starting to feel kinda lamist. Like "hey look at me I'm the one that's keeping us from having a quick hammer!"

I agree. But this whole “OMG Havo will Hammer!” Has been quite entertaining. Lol

[Chickadee]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?

Spoiler alert: I am

[eth0s]

im defending myself
try to make it sound not defensive

ever gonna explain that vote?

[eth0s]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?

Spoiler alert: I am

ever gonna explain yours either?

[eth0s]

jodaxq's posts reek of town.

[sheepsaysmeep]

ever gonna explain that vote?

no sir

[eth0s]

hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of

youre very inexperienced then

not really, that's just a really bad way to play the game

i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my back

I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, players

COULD

hold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.

The last game I played with havo he lolhammered boon and then literally no one questioned him about it the rest of the game. Any time I brought it up, others called it "scummy" for me to mention it, and then the pressure would be totally off havo so he just wouldn't answer. If there were one person in this game I would consider policy-lynching, it would be him.

[eth0s]

ever gonna explain that vote?

no sir

ironic, but fair enough.

Also, so far in this game, you're like a worse version of scum!dunkerdoodles :/

[osuka]

chickadee is prolly town

VOTE: chumba

y tho

i'm inclined to think the opposite

[profii]

@jodaxq - to be more clear

I liked NKs response so I wasn’t getting on the NK wagon... however I didn’t like the eth0s post so I voted

[osuka]

Chickadee is town.

Unfortunately I don’t remember playing with you Chickadee.

havo+sheep scumteam confirmed

[osuka]

ever gonna explain that vote?

no sir

VOTE: sheep

[insanity018]

Bump!