2017 NFL Football

[Killthestory]

What's o/u on the number of years it takes uzi to be a giants fan after bill and Brady retire? 5? 6? I got the under. Can't trust those new York based "pats" fans.

i give him a week

[shaft.ed]

Collinsworth needs to never ever be near another superbowl.

He's bad enough regular season games fucking hell.

He was so bad.

Also, EAGLES!!!!!!!!!

^5

also, too
All hail the great Folololes!

[Flameaxe]

Its the day after Nick foles caught a touchdown pass on 4th and 1

Still think they're insane.

[TwoInAMillion]

That's not how logic works

He was bad choice for MVP tho

How was he a bad choice for MVP?

He was on the winning team of the highest yardage game in NFL history. I'm sure by any objective measurement he had more to do with that than any other player.

[drealmerz7]

the value in that quote is referring to the value in relation to being MVP - meaning MOST valuable

you are not the most valuable player in the game if you were on the losing side, it's basic logic

What??? An individual player's value is not directly determined by whether or not their team wins or loses the game. It should be determined solely by their contributions. MVP is an individual award and so by definition you don't give individual awards to the best team or exclude somebody from receiving an individual award because their team doesn't do well.

wow, you are just biased and blind, eh????

tell me then, what value does a player bring to their team by throwing for 500yards and scoring 3 touchdowns, and losing the game?

thinking there is no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with you

[hiplop]

That's not how logic works

He was bad choice for MVP tho

How was he a bad choice for MVP?

He was on the winning team of the highest yardage game in NFL history. I'm sure by any objective measurement he had more to do with that than any other player.

Reading is hard I guess

Clearly talking about brady

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh sorry.

[Papa Zito]

I thought you were talking about Foles.

[drealmerz7]

wow, I guess I should't be surprised, but wow

Gisele is a despicable piece of shit terrible parent holyfuck

[Killthestory]

the value in that quote is referring to the value in relation to being MVP - meaning MOST valuable

you are not the most valuable player in the game if you were on the losing side, it's basic logic

What??? An individual player's value is not directly determined by whether or not their team wins or loses the game. It should be determined solely by their contributions. MVP is an individual award and so by definition you don't give individual awards to the best team or exclude somebody from receiving an individual award because their team doesn't do well.

wow, you are just biased and blind, eh????

tell me then, what value does a player bring to their team by throwing for 500yards and scoring 3 touchdowns, and losing the game?

thinking there is no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with you

you just answered your own question.

[drealmerz7]

right, zero value

any football player will tell you it doesn't matter what their individual stats are if you don't win the game

DB can have 5 incredible interceptions but the value is null and void if the team doesn't win the game

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah dreal is right on this.

[shaft.ed]

right, zero value

any football player will tell you it doesn't matter what their individual stats are if you don't win the game

DB can have 5 incredible interceptions but the value is null and void if the team doesn't win the game

that's stupid
any other QB and the Eagles run away with that game. Just look at the Minny game where their offense couldn't keep pace.

the only thing keeping the Pats going were Brady's fast releases to negate the Eagles' D-Line

I just think MVP should be renamed Best Player on the Winning Team trophy

[shaft.ed]

Also why aren't we discussing how dirty they did Malcolm Butler?
Can you imagine him riding the pine through that debacle, and by his coaches refusal to play they are just over and over saying "Do you see how bad this defense is? It's historically bad. But we think it would be even more bad if you were on the field"

That dude's gonna have a massive chip on his shoulder. I hope winds up in the AFC East so he can revenge on the Pats at least twice a year.

[Bella]

It was the correct call. You don't overturn the referee if the play is close.

There's definitive video evidence that shows you it's not a catch., It's precisely the type of play that should be over turned. Ball still moving, no control, foot steps out of bounds. It's textbook no catch.

Except that's not how the rules work. You need clear indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field. That play was borderline, and when that happens, you defer to the call on the field.

Yes, which there was. It was another bad call in a series of bad calls by Riveron.

they aren't going to trade Foles

Philly has zero cap room, and spending over $7m on a back up QB is a luxury. They also have very few draft picks in this draft and acquiring more is a good way to get talented players at relatively cheap cap cost. Carson Wentz is their guy, and football teams hate distractions, so they'd likely prefer to avoid a QB controversy every time Wentz has a poor game. Foles isn't getting any younger, has earned a shot at starting and there's no better time to try to get paid than after you won the Super Bowl MVP. It makes too mush sense for the Eagles to trade him.

GG Eagles. Bad call on the TD aside, which didn't in the end really impact that result, the bigger difference was special teams mistakes. The 4 dropped points would have changed the approach to the game, I think.

If I'm John Dorsey right now, I'm calling the Eagles and saying "Hey, you want the #4 overall pick in exchange for Foles?". Super Bowl winning backup-QB for a high first round pick is a good deal for both teams.

Why on earth would you give the #4 pick for Nick Foles? He had what? 2 good games? By all means give him some credit for taking over and leading philly to this, but he had an amazing supporting cast as well and there's nothing that tells me that something drastic changed over these past two games that made him worthy of that high of a pick.

Let's not pretend 2013 didn't happen, and really outside of 2015 is the Rams, which was a bad team, he's been a pretty good QB. The Eagles collapse in 2014 arguably came about because Foles was hurt.Last year he was pretty good in relief for KC, and in 2017 he got better as he got more time with the starters, culminating in a Super Bowl MVP. Foles is worth the #4 pick to the Browns. He'd instantly become the best QB they've had since returning tot he league, and his status as Super Bowl MVP sends a message that can attract free agents to Cleveland, which you need all the help you can get with. Plus, you can then use the #1 pick on a non-QB or dangle it at teams like Denver, the Jets or Arizona (whichever of that group of teams doesn't win the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes and get yourself a haul of picks and/or players to strengthen the team with.

Also why aren't we discussing how dirty they did Malcolm Butler?
Can you imagine him riding the pine through that debacle, and by his coaches refusal to play they are just over and over saying "Do you see how bad this defense is? It's historically bad. But we think it would be even more bad if you were on the field"

That dude's gonna have a massive chip on his shoulder. I hope winds up in the AFC East so he can revenge on the Pats at least twice a year.

That's real confusing. It clearly wasn't injury related, since he was healthy enough to play special teams, and I can't imagine Belichik refusing to send him in just because he's rigidly sticking to the game plan (and the lateness of the decision suggests that they were preparing like he was going to play, which makes that less likely), so it must have been disciplinary related - and pretty serious to keep him out of the game considering how badly Eric Rowe was playing.

[TwoInAMillion]

Still say Foles to Cleveland is the most logical move. Cleveland needs a dependable, veteran quarterback and Foles is a) probably overrated and b) valued by other teams and c) they have a good starter in Wentz. I'm not sure if he's worth a 1st rounder, maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[shaft.ed]

God I hope he doesn't go to Cleveland, for his own sake
If he does, I hope he brings them a Superbowl too
Could you imagine one man bringing Superbowls to both Philly and Cleveland?

[xRECKONERx]

wow, I guess I should't be surprised, but wow

Gisele is a despicable piece of shit terrible parent holyfuck

why..

[drealmerz7]

look up for exact quotes but she told her crying children after the loss that it was okay because the eagles hadn't won in a million years and daddy won 5 times and sometimes you have to let others win and share with them

[hiplop]

That seems like a harsh assessment from what you just described

[shaft.ed]

look up for exact quotes but she told her crying children after the loss that it was okay because the eagles hadn't won in a million years and daddy won 5 times and sometimes you have to let others win and share with them

so she tried to console her children while teaching them about sharing?

[drealmerz7]

so you think Tom Brady let the eagles win because he thinks he has enough rings and the eagles don't have any? huh?

[drealmerz7]

no, the lesson is, sometimes other people are better than you, sometimes you lose no matter how hard you try or how good you are

as well as lessons about sportsmanship, graciousness in the face of losing, etc.

[SleepyKrew]

That's funny though

[Wraith]