Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

[davesaz]

I'm willing to try to stay

Having access removed (it disappeared from bookmarks)

should

mean I'm no longer in it.
Having access show up when day starts

should

mean the chosen player is not there and therefore not under its powers until night is over.
If either of those things is false then I have serious doubts about the setup.

[jjh927]

I agree, but it's whether someone else got put in the tower or Gerry kicked you out or you get autokicked on Gerry's death. Also a matter of whether the person who did get put in the tower in your place before Gerry died, assuming such a person exists, would now have access to the (likely locked) PT regardless of whether or not they were permanently towerblocked in a way that means they know that they were towerblocked.

[jjh927]

Oh yeah and Boon needs to flavourclaim right now

[davesaz]

Now that I'm not trying to compete with hyperposters on a mobile device (and not raging which matters as well).

From the NAR wiki page:

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

Gerry and I debated what his neighborize would be on this list, and whether his action was "neighborize and block" or "neighborize

then

block".
My assertion is that my redirect comes before neighborize. Redirect is ahead of both miscellaneous and recruit, so no matter which of those corresponds to neighborize it should go first.
I think it makes sense from a flavor, mechanics, and balance point of view for it to be neighborize then block.

Which returns us to, as long as I was not blocked by someone else, I still think my action succeeded and sheep targeted me, not fen.
This still does not clear fen, but it should return fen to the "doesn't necessarily have to be scum" pile.
With that in mind, if you consider either Fen or me to be likely (if not obv) town then we have a solution.
I don't think we need to know the tower disposition but I don't mind you asking. Just be aware that Alisae is most likely asleep and it will be a wait of several hours.
I'm in no hurry because I think that rational discussion will reveal that scum are in the people posting irrational arguments for scumspects who don't mechanically make sense.

[jjh927]

Uh, except NAR only comes into play when there's a conflict

[jjh927]

Your role had no effect on Gerry's

[jjh927]

And fwiw I should probably expand on my demand for Boon's flavour; I need more than just Alice in Wonderland because of how much shit there is attached to that. I need the rough of Alisae's interpretation

[davesaz]

Why does town boon not push any cases first 3 days and act like he's mystified by the whole thing, and then suddenly come in D4 claiming that he's obvtown by meta?

Pedit: The NAR question comes into play because of the possible effect of Gerry's role on mine.

@MOD: Does the Rapunzel role block night actions that occur on the same night of neighbourising, or does it only block actions on future nights?

I did not ask this question yesterday because Gerry asked that the neighborhood and its effects not be revealed. It was important that scum not be able to block him if he wanted to use the tower as a scum detector.

[jjh927]

Works same night. Hebi is evidence

[davesaz]

Not if hebi was unlovered by another action.

[jjh927]

Actually, new angle to get my 3rd conftown

Boon/Fench- the neighbourhood between Fenchurch and Hebi. When Fench and Hebi were mod confirmed town to each other, what was the kind of phrasing? Was it something that was more of an alignment check, or did Alisae actually explicitly state that they were both town?

[davesaz]

Hippo did the thing where I'm now unblockable.

How do you know anything was done, and how do you know it was hiplop other than by believing his claim blindly?

There was quite a lot of discussion on whether your kill was on target or redirected. Comments?

[jjh927]

I got a message that told me I am now strongwilled and am as such unblockable and unredirectable

[davesaz]

Actually, new angle to get my 3rd conftown

Boon/Fench- the neighbourhood between Fenchurch and Hebi. When Fench and Hebi were mod confirmed town to each other, what was the kind of phrasing? Was it something that was more of an alignment check, or did Alisae actually explicitly state that they were both town?

If it's posted in the thread by the mod then I'll believe it.
(Hint: you don't need another conftown )

Pedit: thanks, now what if that's a scum action to make themselves look conftown.
Hint: would scum more likely be worried about your shooting so far, or happy with your choices?

[jjh927]

Um, I WANT another conftown. If I can POE the scum down to 3 people, such as you, Boon and Hippo, then we win. We have 2 lynches and a suicide.

There's no way that Shep wasn't scum, and actions that involve moderators giving false information are bastard

[Alisae]

VC

[jjh927]

So yeah I don't actually give a shit if you believe it or not. If Boon and Fench both confirm that the beast hood mod confirmed Fench as town rather than being more of an alignment check thing, then you're last on the list of people who could be required to die, but you are on the list

[davesaz]

People can say anything they like, like hey I'm confirmed town with joe, but if the mod doesn't say it then it isn't true.
You may trust them, that's your prerogative.
I don't. Nothing is ever confirmed until the mod says it publicly.

[davesaz]

Evidently Alisae is not in the timezone that I thought, or keeps different hours day to day.

[jjh927]

Well you're bad at logic then

[jjh927]

If Boon and Fench both agree then either they're both scum or they're telling the truth.

[davesaz]

So sheep was town and they're both scum?

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[jjh927]

Alisae just confirmed how my role works for today! Apparently I can shoot people who get L-1ed to be the leader or I can shoot the leader.

I don't think I'll do either though although I have thought of a scenario that might work but there's probably some risk somewhere

[davesaz]

What exactly is it you think they both say?