In post 1273, Alisae wrote: In post 1237, Venmar wrote: In post 1171, Alisae wrote:btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle
In post 953, Venmar wrote:"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry
:scumposting:
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so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off
also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)
Also :scumposting:
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main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.
the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy
, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.
in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.
Lets look at the post again
Venmar is flipping scum.
also like i don't even understand this post? alisae is literally just discrediting and handwaving everything i said with ":scumposting:", and then on the last point if anyone interprets "332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad" as a contradiction to the bolded i will fucking eat a shoe. i think the context clearly dictates it as alisae dismissing 332 as townie rather than alisae asking me a question, and that's how interpreted that and continue to do so.
i do think that alisae's stance on me went from wanting to talk to me/pairing with me to vehemently attacking me which is an interesting character arc. i will also point out that it makes perfect sense for scum-alisae, who has already once bragged about kokichi flipping town, to button down and hard-push and attack me for attacking kokichi if scum-alisae knows that kokichi is flipping town. it makes me look bad once kokichi flips town and alisae can coast on that fact alone. townreading/defending kokichi wasn't exactly THE MOST common sentiment as far as my minimum-reading memory serves me, and alisae was the only one that felt the need to openly attack me over it. in my eyes it definitely reeks of a scum agenda
Because the post was a trap.
I COULD have refuted all of your points easily.
But I wanted to prove the following point:
YOU'RE NOT PUSHING THIS READ TO BE RIGHT. YOU'RE PUSHING THIS READ TO WIN A DEBATE.
And this is what this posts proves.
That your read is just, not natural on me.
You have taken the majority of my posting and turned them all into scumposts.
The reality of mafia is: not every post is a scum post.
(well, except yours
)
The point of that specific post was layed out for you to attack it.
I wanted to see how you would attack it.
And you reacted EXACTLY the way I thought you would react if you were scum:
To attack it and continue pushing.
I'm actually going to refute these points now you stated in that post, because its really scummy.
Like for example, the first part
"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry
indicates that you're litterally just finding a way to attack my post.
The second part
so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine,
just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable.
actually fuck off
also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)
The bolded for the most part, attempts to find a way to unnaturally make my actions look scummy.
The third bit
main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on. the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.
in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.
The problem with this is you're attacking what I'm not doing. Instead of addressing my concerns, you're going out of you're way to say "I didn't do this, therefore I am scum." I feel like this proves you're trying to win an arguement not lynch scum.
So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Lynch Venmar.
I think I proved my point, so I am going to do this.
I'm taking Joey into my basement- I mean I'm leaving the dance.
Because at this point, my townflip is litterally Venmar's lynch.
Note: I would NOT be doing this if I townread Joey.
I actually in fact, scumread him. I kinda just feel like Joey's approach to this game is coming from scum.
Regardless of if Joey flips scum, I feel like Maki v Gamma just based off of this page is a TvS. and I feel like There is one scum in the Fire Shiro pairing.
Shiro for the most part, I don't think he would actually read the game if he was town.
When I was hydraing with Shiro on Crows, he believed that reading 140 something pages was something that was "town as duck" to put it in his words.
He also ellabroated that he wouldn't read the game as town. I feel like him making an attempt to read the game is probably coming from scum.
Fire I honestly think has just been openwolfing the whole game.
But yeah, may god help me if I am terribly wrong.
PCE YO
ALSO IF YOU DON'T KILL VENMAR I AM DOING THIS FOR NO REASON PLEASE KILL HIM.
