Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

Considering that in the past, your partner Maki also jumped on the Fireshiro wagon, I will
VOTE: Makistral

But you guys are not magisterial.

Starting right from the beginning, before getting into the crux of the issue, I have a problem with this. Namely, this only really makes sense if thinking both fire-shiro and venmar-reck are fully town. But Harambe has not given reads on either of those pairs and still doesn't after being prompted by beeboy shortly after.
There's another problem with this, he seems to be combining something Maki did with something I did and combining it into something singularly scummy that we both did, and this viewpoint doesn't really hold up in this game format. I'll go into this more.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general

I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

:shifty:

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

I made the problem points here big and bold.
Let's dissect this one step at a time.

First, we'll look at Maki's voting history:

VOTE: fireshiro

for now

Ok, this is the first vote on the wagon at this point in time so not what we're talking about

gamma's being so fake it HURTS

Tell me why I shouldn't deathtunnel you
VOTE: Maki

VOTE: Gamma
ooo so scared!

First vote on the wagon again. Out of bounds for the notion of "maki jumps on formed wagons to get a lynch"

Also like part of me doesn't want to vote gamma cause I'd feel like the biggest fucking ass if my read was incorrect and Gamma really was THAT upset over it. It just felt out of the blue to me
UNVOTE:
I want to rethink

An unvote for completeness sake

VOTE: Fire

okay dunn and me agreed on this...for the most part

This is the only time Maki could be considered to be jumping on a wagon. She is the third vote here out of eight needed to form a lynch, however her vote doesn't appear to have any relation to the previous votes

Regardless, examing Maki's voting history I fail to see the "jumping on wagons so often" or "try to get every chance to lynch another pair.

So with that done, let's look at my voting history next:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Wait a second,

this is the only time I've voted this game

...

So when Harambe says:

In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

What does he mean? How does it spot out to him that I take every chance I can to lynch another pair if that was my first vote of the game? He's lying and there's no way around that. No benefit of the doubt to be had.

For that matter, what's up with this:

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.
Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

There hasn't been a wagon to have gone over halfway yet, how is it scummy that we're "always in the first half of the wagon"
There's a lot more people to chase after if he truly believes this.

And once again: does any of this hold up to him if fireshiro/venmarreck has scum in it? Why isn't he even considering the possibility?

Later:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often :shifty:

We "jump on wagons so often"?
Ok, prove it. Show us what you are talking about.

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Show where me and maki do this.

I point it out, twice, I give him a third chance actually to show his work or back down

[beeboy]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

Maybe talking about this is a negative EV thing to do.

[Ellibereth]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

Maybe talking about this is a negative EV thing to do.

beebrain

[Gamma Emerald]

parking my vote here:

vote: eli/chess

since i can't envision a world where both of these are town

Chess is off the table for me, I'm able to see alot of what he's posting is genuine even if he's not always right. Talk to me about Elli?

[Venmar]

When did you intially townread me?

i think it was when i "threw shade at you" and then i liked your response and i don't think said opinion has changed much since.

[beeboy]

beebrain

This is a personal attack.

[Dunnstral]

And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

[beeboy]

Dunnstral reads would be pretty sick but I'll read your post now.

[Dunnstral]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

Maybe talking about this is a negative EV thing to do.

I already said not to discuss Kagami today, yeah.

[Firebringer]

Dunnstral stop townreading maki

[Venmar]

-snip-

[Harambey180]

HAREM BABE

actually

if scumyou were getting coached by your scumbuddies to act dumber than you actually were (e.g. pretending to forget who the IC was)
would you be personally insulted or would you gladly execute or none of the above

Well I have no idea.
First of all I didn't choose to act dumber than I am. I always try to sound the smartest of the group (and often I'm one of the smartest in class) but like when I fail once, I'm a perfectionist, I give up and think I'm super dumb. Then idc that much anymore.

Probably I'd first ask them why they'd want me to act dumber than I am. Regarding my personal situation and the troubles I'm facing irl, I'd probably feel insulted but I do not need to go into too much detail about this also it's game irrelevant so why would I.
I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd probably tell them that I won't do it cuz it's not my scum tactic - though on the other hand I've never ever been scum in a mafia game so far - but like if I'd mess up like I just did here, I'd stay dumb for the rest of the game.

However if I was scum!haram I think it would be way less likely for me to slip up cuz I'd probably make sure I wouldn't. Don't you think too?

[Dunnstral]

I'm a perfectionist

This is relevant to my post.

[beeboy]

Actually do what you want with your reads Dunn, I think your town.

[Dunnstral]

Venmar reaction is noted along with Harambe voting me as soon as I vote his pair

You have time to read all the other spam but not my case here?

[Harambey180]

And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

Can only respond to this with that I admit to having said the most stupid things possible and that it's thanks to my attention level in this game which does not exist.
I already said it before Kokichi was lynched, and before that, that anything I say regarding reads and stuff is most likely inaccurate. You can ISO me if you want to and you can see that I indeed said it long time ago that I predicted to say dumb and inaccurate stuff.

The only way I could still possibly be scum now, is if it was actually my plan to be dumb and inaccurate the entire game. Though look how suspicious it has made me and the things I said. This would be worst scum tactic in a long time, I'm not scum.
There you go. You got it out of me. Even though it should be obvious that everyone tries to sound like Town.

[Firebringer]

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

[Dunnstral]

I'll get you your reads, just give me time, I came back and wrote all that because I had it in my mind and I wasn't available earlier, this is an explanation of my read right now

The short of it is I want to lynch:

Harambe
Venmar/Reck
Fire/Shiro
probably in that order, might even reconsider before fire/shiro

[Ellibereth]

never gets asked to join in group assignments

and often I'm one of the smartest in class

my diagnosis is delusional

bee reading delusional is your specialty right

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral stop townreading maki

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

I feel like I have a better grasp of her than you would

I also kind of doubt that you've put all too much effort into this game?

I'm not sure why you think your read on maki supersedes mine or why it's a good idea to keep pushing this

[Ellibereth]

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

babe you're in your scumrange tho.

[Venmar]

parking my vote here:

vote: eli/chess

since i can't envision a world where both of these are town

Chess is off the table for me, I'm able to see alot of what he's posting is genuine even if he's not always right. Talk to me about Elli?

chess is by far the stronger ping for me but i don't know what to make of elibereth's posts or posting style. my memory of eli's posting history (post-alisae mostly) as a whole is a bit fuzzy but i can't really recall him really "contributing" to the game positively yet. i've had mainly the feeling that there seems to be a sense that eli has done a lot or looks like he has, but im not convinced of that. i'm also unhappy with the relationship between chess and eli and i think it's very likely one of the two has completely duped the other.

[Maki Harukawa]

Ngl part of my fire vote is because he pisses me off.

[Ellibereth]

Dunnstral stop townreading maki

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

I feel like I have a better grasp of her than you would

I also kind of doubt that you've put all too much effort into this game?

I'm not sure why you think your read on maki supersedes mine or why it's a good idea to keep pushing this

do you guys have a history of reading each other correctly when tvs
i know she fucked up in ita