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[Lalendra]

Honestly, I can see the sense in the way he played it now, and I missed the breadcrumb before. What he did makes sense.

I still feel good about Acry, though I am not ruling out the possibility of him being scum who is playing me like a fiddle.

My gut feeling about profii is leaning closer to scum.

I really, really would like to hear from Kop, at this point I feel as though he's almost definitely scum who is trying to coast.

[Lalendra]

If we vote Kop and he doesn't get hammered right away, we know for a fact that he is scum. It's risky but could work.

[Lalendra]

And yes, I understand that if he's town, that means we lose. But we run that risk with anyone that we lynch at this point. His lack of contribution is really hurting town and the fact that he hasn't either played or replaced out at this point in the game makes me think that he is scum and he is

deliberately

sabotaging us, trying to fly under the radar until we lynch the wrong person.

[profii]

I think you are right that eth0s will die.

But, were you in the game with Derpy Serial Killer where he shot the scum and the scum shot him back and they both died for town win.

Will that not be the case with tonight if eth0s is 2 shot?

[profii]

If we vote Kop and he doesn't get hammered right away, we know for a fact that he is scum. It's risky but could work.

I am no where near a kop vote at this point.

[acryon]

I think you are right that eth0s will die.

But, were you in the game with Derpy Serial Killer where he shot the scum and the scum shot him back and they both died for town win.

Will that not be the case with tonight if eth0s is 2 shot?

If we lynch scum today and he is right about the other one, then yes.

And yes, I understand that if he's town, that means we lose. But we run that risk with anyone that we lynch at this point. His lack of contribution is really hurting town and the fact that he hasn't either played or replaced out at this point in the game makes me think that he is scum and he is

deliberately

sabotaging us, trying to fly under the radar until we lynch the wrong person.

I do get your point, but no votes should be placed until we are ready to end the day. The gambit is too risky.

[profii]

yeah the only way we go to night is if we lynch scum so that's fine but if eth0s misses, then we don't get back to day, so I think he is a big risk.

As part of being ready to end the game, we need to agree who we are lynching as I agree the gambit is a bit mad and we also need to discuss if we want eth0s to shoot because he could end the game if is claim is legit.

[acryon]

Obviously I have a vested interest in it since he said he would target me, but I think it's too risky and he shouldn't shoot, because then we're leaving the game in the hands of one person's reads (whatever they are).

[profii]

I'd forgotten he said he'd specifically shoot you and I don't like the idea of eth0s finishing the game at night of his own accord despite him agreeing with my reads... We can't make any decisions like that before Kop contributes. His slot has less posts than the moderator

[Lalendra]

Wait, who said anything about a SK?

And that's my problem with Kop. At this point it feels like he is deliberately not contributing.

If we lynch me, and eth0s shoots Acry (who I believe is town, and at any rate they're def not scumbuddies), then we lose. If we lynch me and eth0s shoots scum, we have a shot.

idk, I know we can't proceed without Kop, but as this point I'm really concerned we will have to, and then what do we do.

[acryon]

Wait, who said anything about a SK?

And that's my problem with Kop. At this point it feels like he is deliberately not contributing.

If we lynch me, and eth0s shoots Acry (who I believe is town, and at any rate they're def not scumbuddies), then we lose. If we lynch me and eth0s shoots scum, we have a shot.

idk, I know we can't proceed without Kop, but as this point I'm really concerned we will have to, and then what do we do.

If we lynch you, and you are town, we lose. Because even if eth0s shoots scum, scum kill him and it's left with 1 scum and 1 town.

[profii]

Wait, who said anything about a SK?

And that's my problem with Kop. At this point it feels like he is deliberately not contributing.

If we lynch me, and eth0s shoots Acry (who I believe is town, and at any rate they're def not scumbuddies), then we lose. If we lynch me and eth0s shoots scum, we have a shot.

idk, I know we can't proceed without Kop, but as this point I'm really concerned we will have to, and then what do we do.

If we lynch town!you it is 2v2 going into night and we lose then

Even if town!eth0s shots a scum the scum would still get a NK and it would leave the game in a 1v1


The reason I referenced a serial killer is that in a game Acryon played, a scum player and SK targeted each other and both died so the point is, if we lynch scum and it goes into night 1v3, if Eth0s s gets it wrong, again, the next day is a 1v1


Eth0s shouldn’t shoot


read my Eth0s analysis again from the perspective that there is 2 scum, 2 town and Eth0s is actually a SK

He has pushed every mislynch, he has threatened to shoot again. It didn’t occur to him to point out his own breadcrumb when claiming. It could be a possibility

Let’s just play it out

We have to lynch scum to go to night, let’s assume we do.
1v1v2
Scum shoot eth0s = 1v2
Eth0s shoots scum = 2 town left, town win


Or

Scum shoot a town,= 1v1v1
Eth0s shoots either and draws with whoever he decides not to kill


I think this game is going to a draw and Eth0s is a serial killer

[Kop]

I must offer my apologies I'm not getting any rest bite with work. I am off for weekend so I will 100 per cent be here fully.

[acryon]

@Mod:

V/LA until Monday morning CST.

[eth0s]

Wait, who said anything about a SK?

And that's my problem with Kop. At this point it feels like he is deliberately not contributing.

If we lynch me, and eth0s shoots Acry (who I believe is town, and at any rate they're def not scumbuddies), then we lose. If we lynch me and eth0s shoots scum, we have a shot.

idk, I know we can't proceed without Kop, but as this point I'm really concerned we will have to, and then what do we do.

If we lynch town!you it is 2v2 going into night and we lose then

Even if town!eth0s shots a scum the scum would still get a NK and it would leave the game in a 1v1


The reason I referenced a serial killer is that in a game Acryon played, a scum player and SK targeted each other and both died so the point is, if we lynch scum and it goes into night 1v3, if Eth0s s gets it wrong, again, the next day is a 1v1


Eth0s shouldn’t shoot


read my Eth0s analysis again from the perspective that there is 2 scum, 2 town and Eth0s is actually a SK

He has pushed every mislynch, he has threatened to shoot again. It didn’t occur to him to point out his own breadcrumb when claiming. It could be a possibility

Let’s just play it out

We have to lynch scum to go to night, let’s assume we do.
1v1v2
Scum shoot eth0s = 1v2
Eth0s shoots scum = 2 town left, town win


Or

Scum shoot a town,= 1v1v1
Eth0s shoots either and draws with whoever he decides not to kill


I think this game is going to a draw and Eth0s is a serial killer

Why would I stick my neck out and claim vig if I were SK? If I was SK I would at least stick with the 1 shot claim so I didn't get myself shot tonight.. I don't think there can be a serial killer here. Unless 1 mafia 1 serial killer is a real thing. That seems pretty pointless tho.

[profii]

You get your last shot if you get killed or not tonight & you’ve claimed 2 shot anyway so what’s the difference

[eth0s]

You get your last shot if you get killed or not tonight & you’ve claimed 2 shot anyway so what’s the difference

What I'm saying is why would I put a target on my head by saying I have another vig shot if I'm SK? That doesn't make any sense. a one shot vig that claims to have already used his shot is about the same priority as a VT as far as NK's are concerned. The only reason the vig might be an inherently better person to kill would be if the role claim made them conftown.

[profii]

By having a uncountered claim you are highly useful to town because every town player is saying - if we get scum today, I trust eth0s tomorrow in MyLo part 2 - so the target is on your head regardless

[eth0s]

Okay that still reinforces my point.. why would I have claimed at all if I were SK? maybe if I was scum it could be smart but still doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[profii]

We are now in the same point as the last game where you’re being daft on purpose which alarms me

Someone had to claim the double kill obviously and you can’t claim SK so vig makes sense and gets you town trust

[eth0s]

What are you talking about me being daft? You are heavily misinterpreting me if you think I'm being anything less than serious here. Either that or you're just putting too much stock into me being an SK. I still want to know why you think SK is even possible here in a 10 person game with no evil being dead. in a 10p game I hiiiighly doubt there will be 3 evil. And again, why would there be 1 scum and a neutral killer? There's no point in a single-scum game imo.

I hate that you're being like this because now you have me re-evaluating my stance on you trying to figure out why you're trying to build a case on SK!me. I just don't understand. I said earlier that I think it's either acryon&lale or kop&profii, and with kop STILL giving us nothing to work with and profii getting all flip-floppy on me for little/no reason, I am starting to lean on the latter.

[eth0s]

Wait. SK doesn't win with scum do they? I guess that means it could be like 2 town 2 scum 1 SK... I still don't think that is gonna be the case in a 10 person game but I guess I need to it into consideration.

[profii]

What are you talking about me being daft? You are heavily misinterpreting me if you think I'm being anything less than serious here. Either that or you're just putting too much stock into me being an SK. I still want to know why you think SK is even possible here in a 10 person game with no evil being dead. in a 10p game I hiiiighly doubt there will be 3 evil. And again, why would there be 1 scum and a neutral killer? There's no point in a single-scum game imo.

I hate that you're being like this because now you have me re-evaluating my stance on you trying to figure out why you're trying to build a case on SK!me. I just don't understand. I said earlier that I think it's either acryon&lale or kop&profii, and with kop STILL giving us nothing to work with and profii getting all flip-floppy on me for little/no reason, I am starting to lean on the latter.

Ok I’m not voting you today but I am declaring you SK

2:30am here and I accidentally fell asleep on my sofa so explaination tomorrow (Saturday not day 4 lol)

[eth0s]

uhh......

[profii]

What are you talking about me being daft? You are heavily misinterpreting me if you think I'm being anything less than serious here. Either that or you're just putting too much stock into me being an SK. I still want to know why you think SK is even possible here in a 10 person game with no evil being dead. in a 10p game I hiiiighly doubt there will be 3 evil. And again, why would there be 1 scum and a neutral killer? There's no point in a single-scum game imo.

I hate that you're being like this because now you have me re-evaluating my stance on you trying to figure out why you're trying to build a case on SK!me. I just don't understand. I said earlier that I think it's either acryon&lale or kop&profii, and with kop STILL giving us nothing to work with and profii getting all flip-floppy on me for little/no reason, I am starting to lean on the latter.

As per the discussions between me and Thor, where we discussed the merits of the scum either splitting their votes on and off wagons or I said they’d both push mislynches - we don’t actually know at this point of course, however the reason for this debate was that 10 is a really awkward number for town to get a majority vote.

2v1v7 seems like a fair setup

Wait. SK doesn't win with scum do they? I guess that means it could be like 2 town 2 scum 1 SK... I still don't think that is gonna be the case in a 10 person game but I guess I need to it into consideration.

exactly what I’m thinking but if you are not SK why do you care, I would highly doubt a SK plus 2 shot vig.

Ok let’s see if your defence adds up and put this to bed-

1114: Why would I stick my neck out and claim vig if I were SK?

In isolation, I’d say you are right, a uncontested vig claim makes you valuable to town so scum will kill you are try and convince the remaining town players to lynch each other- you in MyLo2 would be useful to have if you were conf!vig


1115: What I'm saying is why would I put a target on my head by saying I have another vig shot if I'm SK? That doesn't make any sense.

a one shot vig that claims to have already used his shot is about the same priority as a VT as far as NK's are concerned.

The only reason the vig might be an inherently better person to kill would be if the role claim made them conf town


The red bit - disagree as per response to 1114 - you would have been helpful in MyLo2 so are a high priority kill for scum now, regardless of vig powers.
Ah that’s exactly what you agree in the last sentence. Why is your role claim not conf town at this point? If that is the case why did you even claim?!


1121: Wait. SK doesn't win with scum do they? I guess that means it could be like 2 town 2 scum 1 SK... I still don't think that is gonna be the case in a 10 person game but I guess I need to it into consideration.

This looked like something you want to PM the mod!

If you have another kill it will happen simultaneously to the scum kill, so if you do have another kill - even if the scum do target you, you will get your kill.

The only way we get to night is if we lynch scum, which leaves one scum in the game. So if you are SK or not I have no intention of lynching you - don’t worry about that.

There is a limited way the game will play out-

We mislynch and lose, obviously

Or we lynch scum so they have 1 player

Then at night we either have
Scum kill eth0s
Vig!eth0s kills scum
Town win

Or
Scum kill Eth0s
SK!kills scum
...
Town lynch Eth0s when a night scum flips but game continues

Or
Scum kill eth0s
SK!eth0s kills town
...
Game goes to 1v1v1 draw


Or
Scum kill eth0s
Eth0s doesn’t shoot

And we go into 2v1 with the last scum



We should really just forget this suggestion that you are a serial killer- we should have the discussion about weather you should shoot or not based on the above scenarios and if you are vig, great, if you are in fact a SK you control the game as long as we lynch scum now